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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9225245" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Not really, if you are talking about feats for story reasons that you did not consider at all in your first say 10 levels.  There are not millions of feats that are not traps in 3E.There are lots and lots of feats yes, but if I get to 10th level and decide my story needs to go a certain way that I did not consider at all before now, I am taking a weak 1st level type feat to do that if I haven't prepared with the prerequisites and giving up on more power-apporpriate feats.   Building a character to the story in 3E is essentially a trap.Those are all really weak options that don't pan out most of the time.  If you are saying classes should be tied to races you are eliminating some 80% of the combinations and driving characters on narrow builds.Why should I have to see if the DM will let me do something?  This is the point, the rules let me do it in 5E.And take an XP penaltyMany levels laterWith an XP penalty.  I can take scout with no penalty in 5E.With an XP penalty.  I can take Arcane Trickster with no penalty in 5EWhich would be useless on your fighter without a way to turn invisible. Now you have things that work well with stealth ..... and you still suck at stealth ..... and not just mediocre, you really suck bad.Yeah after you have taken 10 more levels of fighter and managed to boost hide and move silently enough to access the PCs that you want ..... while being a pretty poor fighter.Not ones that were viable.  Well over 90% including, including every one of the examples you mention above is a trap option that will make you one of the weakest players at the table and will generally take more levels to make progress and get where you want to go.Almost never I don't think.  Very few feats in 5E have any prerequisites.What are you talking about?  What Ranger abilities are you talking about that "don't fit" specifically?  It is a Gloomstalker, which fits pretty shadowfell darn well, to include the subclass spell selection.I would say the Bard is more off target than the Ranger in the hypothetical example I used.  I think the Gloomstalker Ranger is the closest of any subclass, including an Assasin.You could, if you wanted your character to suck.</blockquote>

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