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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9228192" data-attributes="member: 7030563">To be effectively stealthy in 3.5E you do.No it is not, as I pointed out earlier.  Those things are options, which you do not have to take.This is not true.  Your maximum for cross class skills is half the number for class skills.  Hide is a cross class skill for fighters, so the maximum is level +3 divided by 2.  At 9th level fighter that is (9+3)/2=6.  He is purely fighter and 6+1 for dexterity is 7 ..... like I said.Not any that I can do in 1-3 levels and accomplish what I want to accomplish.What I asked you to do was give me an example that was as good as GWS but required no prerequisites.  I didn't ask for example of 6 more feats a character can't take, in addition to GWS.Your claim is you can take all these great feats without preparing for them at all.  Name some if this is true. GWS is an example of a great feat you can't take.  So are the examples you gave.  Give me examples that are equal to that in power but don't require prerequisites - either other feats or skill levels.Then provide the examples of feats that don't require preparation!It is for story, more importanly as the PC I am the one who decides my story.This is gatekeeping - you have to make your story this certain way  or it isn't real.Maybe in your story they did, but this is my story.Players as a whole, not the DM. Reference page number please.Nope.  Math has nothing at all to do with it.The average array with 4d6d1 is 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15Absolutely you can use a 15.  Presumably  you are using it on strength, and then you are using a 13 on Dex (you said he had a 13 Dex on an earlier post).  Presumably the 14 is on Constitution.  That leaves 9, 10 and 12 and the average of those three rolls is 10.No it isn't.For one thing we are talking  about characters I can build, you are saying all these builds are available and then saying I can't actually build a low-intelligence fighter.It is not like I am trying to build a low-intelligence Wizard or a Figther with a low Strength and Dex.No I am not and you do not understand probability.The chance of rolling 6 numbers all 12 or higher is 5.7% if using 4d6d1No it is not average when you already have 3 higher stats in your array.  If you believe this you do not understand probability or types of averages.If you roll median roll you will have a 9, and a 15.I am not assuming anything I am using the actual median array for 4d6d1.There is a 13 on Dex and it is my character.  I also gave other options to achieve this besides Ranger (Bard and Rogue).Yet your whole house of cards is based on this idea I need to put a 12 into my character's intelligence and there is no way I ever wouldn'tYep and that is what I get, effectiveness in 1 level.</blockquote>

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