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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9605291" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Yes. And he was in print in the '90s, thanks, oddly enough, to White Wolf.</p><p></p><p>And Moorcock has published new works over the last 20 years, but his older stuff hasn't consistently been in print, AFAICT.</p><p></p><p>I remember talking to a girl my age who was into fantasy novels when I was like 17 (so in the 1990s!), and trying to explain Moorcock to her, and she's like "Oh you mean the crusty old dude who is in a bad prog band?" (Hawkwind, she specified, she was kind of a metal fan), and honestly, that's probably a good summary of the higher levels of understanding of him from most fantasy fans in my generation.</p><p></p><p>I've also had people, especially ten or more years younger just outright deny that Moorcock is of any importance, because they "know" that Tolkien started it all. Even if you point to specific things, some people can be very dismissive because it doesn't fit with their view of fantasy history, which is often wildly simplistic and is basically just:</p><p></p><p>1) LotR is published</p><p>2) [SCENE DELETED]</p><p>3) A Game of Thrones and Harry Potter are published (maaaybe some other '00s stuff if you're lucky)</p><p>4) and often then [SCENE DELETED] again until Brandon Sanderson or Sarah J. Maas appears </p><p></p><p>And this is actual genre fans!</p><p></p><p>It's not totally blank. People do bring him up. And Glen Cook and Gene Wolfe and a few others. You can definitely win some nerd cred by doing so, but equally, people can be just bizarrely dismissive about the influence of honestly any SF/F writer who isn't Tolkien.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9605291, member: 18"] Yes. And he was in print in the '90s, thanks, oddly enough, to White Wolf. And Moorcock has published new works over the last 20 years, but his older stuff hasn't consistently been in print, AFAICT. I remember talking to a girl my age who was into fantasy novels when I was like 17 (so in the 1990s!), and trying to explain Moorcock to her, and she's like "Oh you mean the crusty old dude who is in a bad prog band?" (Hawkwind, she specified, she was kind of a metal fan), and honestly, that's probably a good summary of the higher levels of understanding of him from most fantasy fans in my generation. I've also had people, especially ten or more years younger just outright deny that Moorcock is of any importance, because they "know" that Tolkien started it all. Even if you point to specific things, some people can be very dismissive because it doesn't fit with their view of fantasy history, which is often wildly simplistic and is basically just: 1) LotR is published 2) [SCENE DELETED] 3) A Game of Thrones and Harry Potter are published (maaaybe some other '00s stuff if you're lucky) 4) and often then [SCENE DELETED] again until Brandon Sanderson or Sarah J. Maas appears And this is actual genre fans! It's not totally blank. People do bring him up. And Glen Cook and Gene Wolfe and a few others. You can definitely win some nerd cred by doing so, but equally, people can be just bizarrely dismissive about the influence of honestly any SF/F writer who isn't Tolkien. [/QUOTE]
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