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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voranzovin" data-source="post: 9607855" data-attributes="member: 7020495">Yup. That's exactly why he's a much weaker example of the trope then Conan.Oh, I disagree about him being an outright good character. Wolverine belongs to that category of pseudo-antiheroes who were so popular in comics in the 80s and 90s, who are ultimately just regular heroes with extra brooding. When was the last time he hurt somebody who wasn't narratively positioned as deserving it (and it wasn't mind control or an alternate universe or a clone)? Mostly he flies into those berserker rages in moral outrage at how totally evil the bad guys are. We might as well call Luke Skywalker an antihero for shooting storm troopers, or Indiana Jones for punching Nazis.It's a trope I've come to dislike, I think because it has an element of dishonesty; we want the vicarious thrill of identifying with the "bad boy," but without having to deal with the moral implications of identifying with a character who's actually done really terrible things of their own volition. If you're looking for an X-Man who's actually morally grey, Magneto's standing right here. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />OK...so what happens when there isn't a frontier and a border? What happens when there hasn't been one for so long that nobody alive remembers a time when there was? Tropes are resilient things, but nothing lives forever.Exactly...this really gets at what I'm trying to convey here. Civilization being fundamentally corrupting is core to Conan, and it really isn't to any of the other characters who've popped up on this thread. Including Batman--he protects civilization from villains who represent chaos and anarchic freedom.</blockquote>

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