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<blockquote data-quote="Voranzovin" data-source="post: 9608865" data-attributes="member: 7020495">I think you've deeply misread the arguments being made here, or at least mine. I am not asserting the idea that changing times have made the desire for freedom from civilization less appealing as an unquestionable fact: I'm taking the OP's assertion that Conan is no longer as relevant as read, and suggesting a reason why that might be the case. My own experiences suggest that this assertion is true, but if the data [USER=7047434]@Enaknomolos[/USER] has posted is accurate, then it probably isn't, in which case this particular hypothesis has been falsified. There's really nothing more to it then that.And the distinction between civilized/uncivilized and city/rural is pretty crucial here: you've made the assertion several times, I think, that the idea that the conflict between civilized and uncivilized worlds is a less relevant trope in the 21st century is countered by the reality that there are still differences between rural and city life. So it's completely relevant to point out that being rural and being uncivilized are completely different things.I don't claim that Conan and the idea of freedom from the constraints of civilization holds no appeal--I claim that it holds less appeal for a generation that grew up on the internet. This claim may turn out to be based on a faulty premise, but please attack the claim I'm actually making.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voranzovin, post: 9608865, member: 7020495"] I think you've deeply misread the arguments being made here, or at least mine. I am not asserting the idea that changing times have made the desire for freedom from civilization less appealing as an unquestionable fact: I'm taking the OP's assertion that Conan is no longer as relevant as read, and suggesting a reason why that might be the case. My own experiences suggest that this assertion is true, but if the data [USER=7047434]@Enaknomolos[/USER] has posted is accurate, then it probably isn't, in which case this particular hypothesis has been falsified. There's really nothing more to it then that. And the distinction between civilized/uncivilized and city/rural is pretty crucial here: you've made the assertion several times, I think, that the idea that the conflict between civilized and uncivilized worlds is a less relevant trope in the 21st century is countered by the reality that there are still differences between rural and city life. So it's completely relevant to point out that being rural and being uncivilized are completely different things. I don't claim that Conan and the idea of freedom from the constraints of civilization holds no appeal--I claim that it holds [I]less[/I] appeal for a generation that grew up on the internet. This claim may turn out to be based on a faulty premise, but please attack the claim I'm actually [I]making.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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