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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9611369" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I haven't read the book so I certainly can't claim otherwise, but the synopsis has him, over, and over, and over, and over again, achieving what was not possible for <em>anyone</em> else, succeeding where <em>all others failed</em>, making friends with <em>everyone who is cool</em>, saving his friends when it counts (so claims the synopsis), and so on.</p><p></p><p>The rest of what you're saying just tells me the setting is probably grimdark. Lots of genuine fanfiction Mary/Gary Sue/Stus also fail to save their friends where it makes things more dramatic for them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well yes, Aragorn absolutely would be in the general Gary Stu bracket <em>if </em>he was the actual hero/main character of LotR (but Tolkien didn't always like Aragorn all that much, to judge from his letters, and intentionally kept him from being front-and-center), and frankly from the synopsis, Vaelin makes Aragorn look like a small toddler by comparative competence at, well, pretty much everything.</p><p></p><p>Personally I don't hold too much to the Gary Stu/Mary Sue thing outside of fanfiction (where it has a more precise meaning), because it is a bit overused about any heroic character, I'd generally only bring it up if you get into <em>Wise Man's Fear </em>"I trained as a ninja and I screw all the hottest babes also I am the best at sex because the sex-god taught me through sex" kind of "Jesus wept..." eye-roll territory.</p><p></p><p>If the synopsis is correct, Vaelin is a more <em>overpowered</em> character even than Kvothe's claims about Kvothe in a darker setting/universe (which is not uncommon), but probably less <em>annoying</em> that Kvothe's portrayal in WMF!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh I get that the 5-stars can be galling, but look at it like this - pretty much anyone who has the slightest modicum of good taste probably thinks Terry Goodkind is a mediocre to outright terrible writer and most of his books are mediocre to truly appalling and depraved. You can pretty much objectively demonstrate how bad his writing is on a variety of levels, not least that a lot of it is psychotic blood-soaked political polemic/wank fantasy. Yet the first book in his series, <em>A Wizard's First Rule</em> has 4.6 stars on Amazon. Sure <em>Wise Man's Fear</em> has 4.7, but like, you can take some solace in that it has virtually the same scores a truly terrible, utterly generic book about a man called "Richard Cypher" who at one point uses the "special mode" of his "magic sword" to ritually kill a sexy BDSM/torture nun in a bed (who wants to be "killed" with his "magic sword" in bed, you understand). Indeed <em>A Wizard's First Rule</em> remains the first book I ever attempted to literally throw out a window (thankfully it failed, because I don't think it's safe for a book to fall 30+ feet potentially on to people).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9611369, member: 18"] I haven't read the book so I certainly can't claim otherwise, but the synopsis has him, over, and over, and over, and over again, achieving what was not possible for [I]anyone[/I] else, succeeding where [I]all others failed[/I], making friends with [I]everyone who is cool[/I], saving his friends when it counts (so claims the synopsis), and so on. The rest of what you're saying just tells me the setting is probably grimdark. Lots of genuine fanfiction Mary/Gary Sue/Stus also fail to save their friends where it makes things more dramatic for them. Well yes, Aragorn absolutely would be in the general Gary Stu bracket [I]if [/I]he was the actual hero/main character of LotR (but Tolkien didn't always like Aragorn all that much, to judge from his letters, and intentionally kept him from being front-and-center), and frankly from the synopsis, Vaelin makes Aragorn look like a small toddler by comparative competence at, well, pretty much everything. Personally I don't hold too much to the Gary Stu/Mary Sue thing outside of fanfiction (where it has a more precise meaning), because it is a bit overused about any heroic character, I'd generally only bring it up if you get into [I]Wise Man's Fear [/I]"I trained as a ninja and I screw all the hottest babes also I am the best at sex because the sex-god taught me through sex" kind of "Jesus wept..." eye-roll territory. If the synopsis is correct, Vaelin is a more [I]overpowered[/I] character even than Kvothe's claims about Kvothe in a darker setting/universe (which is not uncommon), but probably less [I]annoying[/I] that Kvothe's portrayal in WMF! Oh I get that the 5-stars can be galling, but look at it like this - pretty much anyone who has the slightest modicum of good taste probably thinks Terry Goodkind is a mediocre to outright terrible writer and most of his books are mediocre to truly appalling and depraved. You can pretty much objectively demonstrate how bad his writing is on a variety of levels, not least that a lot of it is psychotic blood-soaked political polemic/wank fantasy. Yet the first book in his series, [I]A Wizard's First Rule[/I] has 4.6 stars on Amazon. Sure [I]Wise Man's Fear[/I] has 4.7, but like, you can take some solace in that it has virtually the same scores a truly terrible, utterly generic book about a man called "Richard Cypher" who at one point uses the "special mode" of his "magic sword" to ritually kill a sexy BDSM/torture nun in a bed (who wants to be "killed" with his "magic sword" in bed, you understand). Indeed [I]A Wizard's First Rule[/I] remains the first book I ever attempted to literally throw out a window (thankfully it failed, because I don't think it's safe for a book to fall 30+ feet potentially on to people). [/QUOTE]
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