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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tao" data-source="post: 4331790" data-attributes="member: 62326">Seriously, this is silly. Clearly we simply prefer different styles of play.  I prefer a campaign where treasure is integrated into the plot and story of the characters and makes sense within the larger scope of the adventure.  One where every treasure is meaningful and feels important.  I prefer not to place some esoteric useless item in the hands of a villain who has no use for it to begin with, just to have my players turn around and sell it to the first willing person they find.  For me, the "wishlist" concept is closer to that vision (and is actually close to something I have done in the past- requesting one story goal and one material reward that they would want so that I can better tailor the campaign to their likes/dislikes).Delta, I can't speak for your priorities.  I can only speak for my own experiences with random treasure tables, both as a DM and as a player.  The only times I have seen random treasure tables used were times when the DM (myself included) was too busy/lazy/focused on something else to come up with something that meant anything.  In my experience, even when there were random tables, most DMs tried to select things that were setting/campaign/character appropriate... even if they pretended to roll dice and just fudged the results when it was something they didn't like or kept rerolling until it was something they did.To be clear, I am not calling anyone specifically a lazy DM.  I am simply saying that to rely COMPLETELY on random rolls is no better than to rely COMPLETELY on a wishlist.  Neither is exciting.  Neither is fun.  Neither makes sense in the larger fabric of the campaign.  But at least the latter doesn't require a Mage-Mart to be useful (and to be fair, the 4e DMG doesn't even recommend basing treasure COMPLETELY on a wishlist, rather it suggest using it to help give you ideas).  Maybe for a dragon's horde or a king's treasure vault random treasure makes sense.  Anywhere else, it seems about as random and forced as it truly is.I guess it comes down to priorities, but I, myself, don't see how random treasure tables give the DM any more control over the setting... especially when the new default rule is "the DM should do whatever he wants, but it is recommended he give things that the players will be able to use, rather than sell" followed by a suggestion on how to figure out the types of items that your players will use.If anything, that's MORE control than I have really ever been intrinsically granted by any DMG to date on that particular issue.</blockquote>

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