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<blockquote data-quote="T. Foster" data-source="post: 3326495" data-attributes="member: 16574">The encumbrance specifics were actually only in the revised edition (December 1979) of the 1E DMG -- if you had an early printing then the encumbrance values for everything except weapons and armor weren't in there at all. I'm convinced that this table should've been in the PH and was accidentally overlooked, and since they were doing a revised edition of the DMG anyway they decided to put it there. I always copied this page and gave it to the players. The rules for how much weight/bulk you can carry in each move class is in the PH, around p. 100 (starting on the page right after the end of the spell descriptions with the Trampier illustration of guys sitting around in a tavern) but the armor rules are an exception (since each armor type has a max move rate associated with its bulk -- if you wear plate-mail your move is 6&quot; no matter how high your strength score -- see also a contradiction in the rules regarding the encumbrance/move for magical armor) and internal evidence suggests that size S demi-human races (dwarfs, gnomes, halflings) should also have a lower base move (9&quot; at unencumbered, 6&quot; at heavy gear, 3&quot; at very heavy gear, 1&quot; at encumbered) even though this isn't actually specifically mentioned anywhere in the 1E rules!Yeah, the 1E rules are an organizational and editorial mess. If 2E had simply cleaned up and better organized the 1E rules without changing things I'd have welcomed them. Alas, they didn't just clean up and reorganize the rules, they also decided to fix/improve them, and most/all of their &quot;improvements&quot; were IMO anything but.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="T. Foster, post: 3326495, member: 16574"] The encumbrance specifics were actually only in the [i]revised edition[/i] (December 1979) of the 1E DMG -- if you had an early printing then the encumbrance values for everything except weapons and armor weren't in there at all. I'm convinced that this table should've been in the PH and was accidentally overlooked, and since they were doing a revised edition of the DMG anyway they decided to put it there. I always copied this page and gave it to the players. The rules for how much weight/bulk you can carry in each move class is in the PH, around p. 100 (starting on the page right after the end of the spell descriptions with the Trampier illustration of guys sitting around in a tavern) but the armor rules are an exception (since each armor type has a max move rate associated with its bulk -- if you wear plate-mail your move is 6" no matter how high your strength score -- see also a contradiction in the rules regarding the encumbrance/move for magical armor) and internal evidence suggests that size S demi-human races (dwarfs, gnomes, halflings) should also have a lower base move (9" at unencumbered, 6" at heavy gear, 3" at very heavy gear, 1" at encumbered) even though this isn't actually specifically mentioned [i]anywhere[/i] in the 1E rules! Yeah, the 1E rules are an organizational and editorial mess. If 2E had simply cleaned up and better organized the 1E rules without changing things I'd have welcomed them. Alas, they didn't just clean up and reorganize the rules, they also decided to fix/improve them, and most/all of their "improvements" were IMO anything but. [/QUOTE]

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