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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tx7321" data-source="post: 3328956" data-attributes="member: 43146">JDawg, I'm referring to AD&D. I mentioned Arneson out of respect, he's often forgotten as a co-creator of the D&D game, just pretend I didn't mention him.    <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> As for tables slowing you guys down, didn't you memorize the most common results pretty quickly?  And Pirate Cat, did you use a standing screen so you could just glance over closer to eye level? I rarely crack a rule book when I play, just open the DM screen and go.   I'm impressed that your 3E battles run quicker then those of 1E.   JDawg, the point of my post was that I think the differences between BTB and house ruled 1E weren't that big a deal in "game feel".  As a player I wouldn't know what the DM is doing behind the screen, I just role a d20 when told.  The true differences between 1E and 2E are rules related to stuff outside of combat (what you indicate as optional).  Anyhows, thats really all I was trying to say.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Look I agree if the 3E DM took over the tasks of feats and skills for each player, then the player could just sit and play.  But I think that would be too much work for the 3E DM realistically.  Perhaps you disagree. JDawg: "I've seen this very frequently from you--you make very extraordinary claims about what 1e and 1e alone can do, when in fact your claims are not all the remarkable, and practically any RPG system worth the paper it's printed on can do the exact same thing. "I never claimed 1E alone can do anything.  I'm on a D&D website, and I'm talking about 1E (my preferred version of D&D).  Sure any FRPG can be simplifide by its players and GM and made to run as quickly as those playing 1E (even quicker).  So what?  Then do it if it helps. It sure helps with AD&D to ignore WSF, esp. for newbie DMs. Jdawg, I think your attacks are getting a little personal.  There are nicer ways to make your point. Remember, your claims sound just as "extraordinary" to others as mind do to you.</blockquote>

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