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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 3329020" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>Ahh, got it.</p><p></p><p>No, not really.</p><p></p><p>Mine do too--especially at higher level. It is a pain to run D&D---of any edition---at higher level. In fact, that's one of my most significant gripes with the system. But yeah--my 3e games combats run as fast as D&D combats have ever run for me. At least. Because at heart, 3e is just roll a d20, add modifiers, compare to a target number and move on. See how simple? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>Well, eyebeams indicated that's optional, not me, but I see your point--I think. Actually, I think two or more unrelated (except by proximity in the thread) points are bleeding over onto each other. My points are really two-fold: 1) I like d20 rolls vs. charts because it's faster, easier, and requires less administrative effort on the part of the DM, although that's only a recent point that I've made in the last post or two, and 2) I still haven't been able to put my finger on this nebulous "1e feel" you keep talking about. When you describe it, I get stuff that sounds like it could apply just as easily to 3e D&D, Runequest, GURPS fantasy, and just about any other fantasy game using just about any other system. If that's so, then what is the 1e feel, what makes it so special, and how is that contrasted to the 2e or 3e feel? That's where I'm really struggling to see where you're coming from here, to be honest.</p><p></p><p>No, you're specifically saying that 1e does certain things and strongly implying--if not outright stating-- that other games or editions cannot. At least, if that's not what you're doing, I no longer have the capability of reading the English language, which of course is always a possibility.</p><p></p><p>Yes, so what. Indeed. That's my whole point.</p><p></p><p>You may think that, but you are completely wrong. I'm neither attacking, nor am I personal. I am merely having a conversation about D&D, and the fact that 1e is <strong>not</strong> my favored system means that we disagree. I don't see how that makes anything I'm saying "an attack" though. Also, I've taken very great care to only comment on your <em>statements</em> and haven't said anything personal whatsoever. At all. So yeah. Neither attacking nor getting personal. Don't know where that came from.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 3329020, member: 2205"] Ahh, got it. No, not really. Mine do too--especially at higher level. It is a pain to run D&D---of any edition---at higher level. In fact, that's one of my most significant gripes with the system. But yeah--my 3e games combats run as fast as D&D combats have ever run for me. At least. Because at heart, 3e is just roll a d20, add modifiers, compare to a target number and move on. See how simple? ;) Well, eyebeams indicated that's optional, not me, but I see your point--I think. Actually, I think two or more unrelated (except by proximity in the thread) points are bleeding over onto each other. My points are really two-fold: 1) I like d20 rolls vs. charts because it's faster, easier, and requires less administrative effort on the part of the DM, although that's only a recent point that I've made in the last post or two, and 2) I still haven't been able to put my finger on this nebulous "1e feel" you keep talking about. When you describe it, I get stuff that sounds like it could apply just as easily to 3e D&D, Runequest, GURPS fantasy, and just about any other fantasy game using just about any other system. If that's so, then what is the 1e feel, what makes it so special, and how is that contrasted to the 2e or 3e feel? That's where I'm really struggling to see where you're coming from here, to be honest. No, you're specifically saying that 1e does certain things and strongly implying--if not outright stating-- that other games or editions cannot. At least, if that's not what you're doing, I no longer have the capability of reading the English language, which of course is always a possibility. Yes, so what. Indeed. That's my whole point. You may think that, but you are completely wrong. I'm neither attacking, nor am I personal. I am merely having a conversation about D&D, and the fact that 1e is [b]not[/b] my favored system means that we disagree. I don't see how that makes anything I'm saying "an attack" though. Also, I've taken very great care to only comment on your [i]statements[/i] and haven't said anything personal whatsoever. At all. So yeah. Neither attacking nor getting personal. Don't know where that came from. [/QUOTE]
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