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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Someone" data-source="post: 3449748" data-attributes="member: 5656">No, a ranged touch attack isn't a guarantedd ht, and a reflex ST means normally that you're going to deal some damage. But overall, starting at medium levels a ranged touch attack is vastly better than saving throws. However, the crux of the matter isn't even this, or the fact that orbs aren't fireballs. The point is that the orbs, which are conjurations, are better than similar evocation spells. By similar I mean ranged touch, energy damage dealing spells. And they are better because they deal similar or more damage, and allow less defenses. I doesn't mater that there are other spells in the evocation school that deal area damage: orbs are good enough (and then some) to be part of the evocation school. As an analogy, suppose Necromancy had a 1st level spell mostly identical to charm person, only that it doesn't allow spell resistance. That the enchantment school still has Mass Suggestion doesn't change the fact that the new necromancy spell is better than Charm person.</blockquote>