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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IanB" data-source="post: 3461800" data-attributes="member: 1473">Compared to the ranged touch attack bonus of a typical primary caster, no, they don't really suck. Even a level 20 wizard with a dex of 18 will miss a touch AC of 19 20% of the time. (Your average AC of 11, with cover and melee factored in.)Granted, a warmage who has specialized in ranged feats, has access to the 'best' orb at any given time, and can do all sorts of tricks with sudden metamagic, etc., is going to be a problem a lot of the time. So, we come to the classic chicken/egg dilemma: which is broken, the warmage or the orbs?I'm pretty willing to accept that orb of force is out of line. (And Easy Metamagic is right out.) I'm really not sure about the others, still. With normal wizard builds they don't seem that bad to me, and they're *certainly* not out of line in a game where stuff like Tome of Battle is allowed.</blockquote>