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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fieari" data-source="post: 3462237" data-attributes="member: 16221">If you did it by hand, does that mean you have it on paper?  Can you scan it?If not, can you name the outlying numbers?  That is to say, which monsters skewed the results so high?  I mean, if you were adding in some epic level monsters, and/or gods, I could understand 57.Which books provided the highest touch AC?Let me say, I don't believe your numbers, or rather, I don't believe THAT number.  Not 57.  Not by a LONGSHOT.  I'm willing to be convinced, if you back them up.  I'll even give you a head start... Here's a survey of touch ACs from one of the books you mentioned, that I also possess: Fiend Folio.  I found the average touch AC to be 11.81, with the lowest being 4 and the highest being 23 (Thunder Worm), 164 records counted.  Here's the numbers, I may have missed one or two, but that shouldn't skew things much:[code]131311141211101511194141212121113161613414128131413181211111517111012151212131416991441412131071191414111012141289118911121011971114128111214712131312131110119165910159101313121241112121114991113111017117139611131317912111211201415151214141113131313141212121311121223 - Thunder Worm1210813131210132071110910141018[/code]Not a full spreadsheet like Rystil has for the MM, but I was working with time constraints here.But you'll note, the highest touch AC in the entire book is less than half the AVERAGE touch AC you claim.  If there was an additional monster added to this list with a touch AC of 100, not found anywhere outside of Upper Krust's epic bestiary, it would raise this average to 12.35.  In fact, in order to get an average of 57 out of this list, you need another monster with a touch AC of 7500.  You're not going to find that number in CR's lower than a thousand.  You're just not.The highest touch ACs there were exclusively held by the incorporeal, and I think one or two fae.EDIT: As a lark, I calculated the touch AC's in Upper Krust's Epic Bestiary, with a CR range of  6 to 9721 (yes, nine thousand, seven hundred and twenty one), most of which lay in the 20-100 range, before and after which they get sparse.  Anyway, the lowest touch AC in this book is -7 (negative seven), and the highest was 303 (Great Wyrm Nexus Dragon, which has a divine rank of 240).  The average touch AC for the book?  41.56, still lower than your claim of 57.</blockquote>

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