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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 3463368" data-attributes="member: 743">Who said it was an opinion? I said that I didn't believe the numbers and was too lazy to check them. I never said they were an opinion.What does it matter what the average dragon touch AC is?I agree. That ray definitely blows chunks.I consider area effects to be optimal in fights with 4+ opponents, and a wash at 3 opponents. The actual usability of each depends too much on terrain.Why is a character that relieds on bypassing SR not getting both SP and GSP? And why is either caster using cold against a devil? Presumably they'd both have knowledge (planes)?So what you're saying is that if you're stackingt he deck against orbs you have to find a monster with higher than average SR and energy resistance (which is multiplied by the number of monsters when taking off area damage) for it's CR in order to make it so that the evoker does only slightly more damage? LOLIf you were really being honest about wanting to stack the deck you'd use 4+ monsters with low reflex saves and no SR. How about 4 elder earth elementals? Their +7 reflex save and no SR means the evoker does around 200 damage compared to the conjurer's 75-ish.</blockquote>