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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 3468378" data-attributes="member: 224">I see the problem.&nbsp; I'll bet it doesn't change much, but it is an error.MonsterForge (the spreadsheet I'm extracting the data from) has 336 monsters from the MM 3.5e in it.&nbsp; Dragons are excluded - because of the difficulty in stat-ing them, I assume. Creatures that advance by class level are not there (elves, dwarves, hobgoblins, harpies, ogres, etc).&nbsp; Templates are removed.&nbsp; Everything else is there.&nbsp; All vermin, of all sizes, for example.&nbsp; All animals.&nbsp; All elementals of all sizes. Etc.Keep in mind MonsterForge wasn't built to do what I'm doing to it.&nbsp; It was built to advance monsters.&nbsp; And monsters that can have class levels can have equipment...and can have higher touch ACs.Given those limitations, the average touch AC for the MM 3.5e from this data set is AC ~12.I have another data set that includes much of what MonsterForge excludes.&nbsp; I'll combine the datasets, and see what I get.FWIW.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; I still suspect the average touch AC is around 12, and that touch AC doesn't change noticibly with CR.But I could be wrong.&nbsp; &lt;shrug&gt;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 3468378, member: 224"] I see the problem. I'll bet it doesn't change much, but it is an error. MonsterForge (the spreadsheet I'm extracting the data from) has 336 monsters from the MM 3.5e in it. Dragons are excluded - because of the difficulty in stat-ing them, I assume. Creatures that advance by [I]class level[/I] are not there (elves, dwarves, hobgoblins, harpies, ogres, etc). Templates are removed. Everything else is there. All vermin, of all sizes, for example. All animals. All elementals of all sizes. Etc. Keep in mind MonsterForge wasn't built to do what I'm doing to it. It was built to advance monsters. And monsters that can have class levels can have equipment...and can have higher touch ACs. Given those limitations, the average touch AC for the MM 3.5e from this data set is AC ~12. I have another data set that includes much of what MonsterForge excludes. I'll combine the datasets, and see what I get. FWIW. :) I still suspect the average touch AC is around 12, and that touch AC doesn't change noticibly with CR. But I could be wrong. <shrug> [/QUOTE]

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