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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pssthpok" data-source="post: 3480408" data-attributes="member: 34725">RigaMortus2 says it all. If the DM can't prepare around the banality of his PCs, then it's his problem, not the orb spells that are affecting his game. I mean, c'mon... entropic shield is a 20% miss chance on those spells, SR or not. Mirror image is a tremendous defense against those spells, SR or not.I think people are trying to pick on the orbs regardless of the possible counters to them, instead concentrating solely on the mechanic of the spells in an insulated fashion, rendering them and their ability to deal with the RAW as-is impotent in the face of a few conjuration effects that, by definition, are largely kosher.Sure, you can counter the counters, but this isn't arms race, it's a discussion about whether or not the orbs are too powerful. If they were AOEs... yes, but they're not. Single target ranged touch: conjurers have a poor BAB, the spells are readily countered by illusions and abjurations, and if the BBEG is so poorly wrought that the PCs can admix-twin-empower-max orb of acid them in two rounds, they deserve it.</blockquote>