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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mattcolville" data-source="post: 415379" data-attributes="member: 1300">Someone with Moderator privileges should move this to Rules, I think.The problem you're having, John, doesn't arise from WoT, but rather D&D.What is fencing? Well, in the modern world, fencing is a sport. You use an épeé.Sports and combat are different things. There aren't any rules in D&D for "I'm good at this sport or game" as far as I know, though I bet if I looked up "gaming" and figured out how the skills deal with that, I'd be able to extrapolate to sports.But I bet you're not talking about the modern sport of fencing. I bet your talking about the traditional dueling activity that used rapiers, usually.Rapiers are normal martial weapons. If your character class doesn't grant you access to martial weapons, you can always take the Martial Weapon Proficiency Feat, choose Rapier, and be proficient with a rapier.Furthermore, you can take the feat Weapon Finesse for your rapier, and use your Dex bonus instead of your Strength bonus when attacking.So what does Fencing mean to you? Does it mean "being really good in combat with a rapier?" If so then you need at least the MWP feat, if not also the WF feat. Even if that's what it means to you, you're probably never going to be better at it than someone who trains his whole life to use weapons (a fighter.)D&D used to break weapon proficiencies out into each individual weapon, then it went to close groups, and now we've got broad categories that make me a lot happier. Fencing the sport is a different issue. I'd probably rule it was a skill, and make you spend points on Craft (Fencing) or Profession (fencing) or something like that.</blockquote>

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