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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4982981" data-attributes="member: 2011">The problem isn't with +22 versus NADs at level 15 (although that's ridiculous). It's +17 with a recharge area attack with a same level monster.Only 34% of Paragon level monsters in the Monster Manual have AC-only attacks. 66% of them have one or more attacks that target a NAD.So, the DM can either not use monsters that target NADs, or he can use them.The typical range of the worst NAD at level 15 is from 20 to 25 (10 starting stat +3 item through 13 starting stat +4 item +1 race +1 class).The range for level 15 monsters is +16 through +20. So, the +16 hits on a 4 through 9. The +20 hits on a 2 through 5. The average +18 hits the average NAD 22 on a 4. Note: few PCs have bonuses to race and/or class in their worst NAD.These are same level monsters out of the MM. And, it's ~2/3rds of the monsters (at Paragon level) out of the MM.Is the DM just supposed to throw out these monsters and not use them?For the 15 15th level monsters, there are:[code]2 no NAD attacks1 +17 encounter area effect1 +17 recharge area effect1 +16 encounter area effect1 +18 at will single target, minor1 +19 at will single target plus  +19 encounter area effect plus  +19 recharge area effect1 +20 immediate reaction at will single target no damage plus  +20 recharge area effect plus  +20 encounter area effect1 +18 at will single target plus  +18 encounter single target no damage plus  +18 recharge area effect2 +18 recharge single target1 +20 recharge single target1 +20 at will single target no damage, minor1 +19 encounter area effect no damage1 +16 at will single target plus  +20 two times per encounter single target plus  +20 recharge single target[/code]Only 13% of these monsters do not target NADs. Should the DM not use most of the other 87% of them?And, these are same level monsters. What about higher level monsters? Should the DM never use higher level monsters that target NADs?</blockquote>

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