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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4985017" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yes, but the difference was MUCH more extreme. For example here are the stats to a 1e Hill Giant. AC 4, HD 8 + 1-2, #AT 1, DPA 2-16. They also have a ranged attack R 20" DPA 2-16.As you can see the giants defenses (AC) are nothing special and in fact your average 1st level fighter has a similar AC (chain and shield) and can hit AC 4 on a 16 (probably a bit less even, he'll likely have SOME strength bonus). The equivalent 4e monster is a level 13 brute and has AC 25. A level 1 PC might hit it on a 17 so he CAN hit. In either case its a tough fight and I suppose a group of level 1 PCs could potentially defeat a Hill Giant in 4e. Part of the difference is just lower variance in hit points and damage in 4e. The 1e Hill Giant averages 40 hit points. The 4e version has 159, which is probably a lower ratio vs PC hit points, but with the larger number of attacks needed by either side to hurt the other it will be tough for the party to get a bit lucky and do the job. Actually overall the Hill Giant is probably about the highest level 4e monster I could imagine a party killing and in that sense its not so different.The upshot is the less swingy combat math of 4e does result in less chance to get lucky and defeat some powerful monster. Of course it also means you don't have so many of those lovely 3rd level party wiped out by lucky orcs kind of experiences either.</blockquote>

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