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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 4991490" data-attributes="member: 46713">Well, let's see:Someone stated his opinion as if it was a given fact. I happened to disagree and asked for proof. Why did I do this, if I didn't believe it was possible to prove it?Do I really have to explain this? It's all rhetorics.Naturally, I did it to show that the 'fact' was in fact just an opinion. I'm not _really_ sure if he's wrong or not (I just don't think so). So, here's the options:Prove it one way or another or conclude it's unprovable.*Well, since I'm not a community supporter, I cannot search the forum. I _think_ the argument was almost a year ago, shortly after the PHB2 was published. I don't have a clue how to find that thread after all this time.*: Well, to be completely honest, I'm pretty sure you could actually prove it one way or another. The number of possible permutations for race/class build/attribute array is finite. It's just a large enough number that I cannot spend the time to do it - but someone else who does have lots of time probably could.There's something I still don't get about these discussions:In 3E, the equivalent of non-AC defenses were the saving throws. Why didn't anyone think it was a problem that many classes only had a single (or even two) strong saving throw(s)?The standard reply, I guess, would be: 'because everyone knows, that 3E math was totally off!' Which makes me wonder how we could play with this system for ten years (and still are).On a slightly different topic:There's something we can now do, which we couldn't do a year ago:Create a sample party (or even better: use one of WotCs sample parties) and compare it against every encounter in the WotC adventure module series H1-H3, P1-P3, E1-E3. Now, I don't have the complete series, but I'd love to see someone doing this!I'm really curious whose position this exercise would strengthen!Will there be any encounters where a pc will be hit on a 2 or an enemy only be hit on a 20?If so, how many?That would at least be a semi-objective way to test how broken the 4e math really is.</blockquote>

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