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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6263083" data-attributes="member: 2525">True, but at those levels the meaningfulness of that damage diminishes too, and you have enough spell slots to make it not matter.Probably not.&nbsp; Dex is your second most important stat, and ability scores max at 20.&nbsp; With bounded accuracy, Dex is pretty critical for the wizard.7 points damage with a shorter range isn't is a big difference versus the things you're likely to be fighting at those levels.&nbsp; By those levels, you have sufficient spell slots to be casting real damaging spells.&nbsp; If you're still casting a cantrip as an attack spell at those levels, somethings gone wrong because you had around 16 spell slots available.&nbsp; I replied to what was written.&nbsp; That was the point I was replying to.OK, make up your mind.&nbsp; Either this is an example of something &quot;substantially&quot; less effective, or it isn't.&nbsp; If it isn't, and it's the only example from 5e, then why is this labelled as a 5e thread?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6263083, member: 2525"] True, but at those levels the meaningfulness of that damage diminishes too, and you have enough spell slots to make it not matter. Probably not. Dex is your second most important stat, and ability scores max at 20. With bounded accuracy, Dex is pretty critical for the wizard. 7 points damage with a shorter range isn't is a big difference versus the things you're likely to be fighting at those levels. By those levels, you have sufficient spell slots to be casting real damaging spells. If you're still casting a cantrip as an attack spell at those levels, somethings gone wrong because you had around 16 spell slots available. I replied to what was written. That was the point I was replying to. OK, make up your mind. Either this is an example of something "substantially" less effective, or it isn't. If it isn't, and it's the only example from 5e, then why is this labelled as a 5e thread? [/QUOTE]

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