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<blockquote data-quote="Lokiare" data-source="post: 6263375" data-attributes="member: 83996">Unfortunately in 5E there are many things that fall into the &lt;50 point range. I agree that cantrips are not one of them. They might be at really early levels with some builds, but most characters will do fine.However right now if you want to make a swashbuckling Fighter, you are out of luck.In order to take light armor you have to waste a feat to get a bonus to AC and you still don't match up to a Fighter in medium or heavy armor. You have to grab skill mastery as a feat later to be able to be a sailor and using a light weapon will seriously reduce your damage. Without a shield you cannot tank/defend the party. So are extremely gimped in 5E if you try to swashbuckle. Some might argue for a rogue build, but swashbucklers weren't about stealth, trap finding, lying, cheating, and backstabbing. It just doesn't match the concept.There are many others. If you pick a Fighter you are automatically gimped out of combat and have to use all your feats and ability increases just to have a hope of keeping up with other classes.This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lokiare, post: 6263375, member: 83996"] Unfortunately in 5E there are many things that fall into the <50 point range. I agree that cantrips are not one of them. They might be at really early levels with some builds, but most characters will do fine. However right now if you want to make a swashbuckling Fighter, you are out of luck. In order to take light armor you have to waste a feat to get a bonus to AC and you still don't match up to a Fighter in medium or heavy armor. You have to grab skill mastery as a feat later to be able to be a sailor and using a light weapon will seriously reduce your damage. Without a shield you cannot tank/defend the party. So are extremely gimped in 5E if you try to swashbuckle. Some might argue for a rogue build, but swashbucklers weren't about stealth, trap finding, lying, cheating, and backstabbing. It just doesn't match the concept. There are many others. If you pick a Fighter you are automatically gimped out of combat and have to use all your feats and ability increases just to have a hope of keeping up with other classes. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. [/QUOTE]

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