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<blockquote data-quote="Lokiare" data-source="post: 6263730" data-attributes="member: 83996">The average strength will lead to bad rolls when it comes to the sailing checks, and the sword and board build doesn't require any scores, while the swashbuckler requires a pretty hefty Dex score at minimum to make up for the loss of plate and a shield. Using a dagger or short sword will shave off lots of damage in comparison to a sword and board long sword. Its starts at about 1 point of damage average, but then the fighter gets multiple attack and it starts to add up first 2 then 4.What's the date of the documents you are working from and are they public? My numbers show how mechanically choosing this particular concept gimps your character. Now if numbers don't matter in your game, you won't see this, but then again you won't need the mechanical rules if the numbers don't matter and you probably shouldn't buy 5E anyway.Unfortunately its not about population of archetypes, its about categorizing different sword types by effectiveness. The small sword which evolved from the longer heavier rapier would deal much less damage than a true rapier and with the rapier dealing 1d8 damage its clear that it is not the smaller weapon. Now if they swap it back to 1d6 damage then we can call the small sword a rapier and call the true rapier a longsword.Here is another link that characterizes the small sword as a short sword. <a href="http://www.medievalmartialarts.co.uk/broadsword-backsword-rapier-longsword" target="_blank">http://www.medievalmartialarts.co.uk/broadsword-backsword-rapier-longsword</a> Read the difference between a short sword and a rapier and the description of a short sword.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lokiare, post: 6263730, member: 83996"] The average strength will lead to bad rolls when it comes to the sailing checks, and the sword and board build doesn't require any scores, while the swashbuckler requires a pretty hefty Dex score at minimum to make up for the loss of plate and a shield. Using a dagger or short sword will shave off lots of damage in comparison to a sword and board long sword. Its starts at about 1 point of damage average, but then the fighter gets multiple attack and it starts to add up first 2 then 4. What's the date of the documents you are working from and are they public? My numbers show how mechanically choosing this particular concept gimps your character. Now if numbers don't matter in your game, you won't see this, but then again you won't need the mechanical rules if the numbers don't matter and you probably shouldn't buy 5E anyway. Unfortunately its not about population of archetypes, its about categorizing different sword types by effectiveness. The small sword which evolved from the longer heavier rapier would deal much less damage than a true rapier and with the rapier dealing 1d8 damage its clear that it is not the smaller weapon. Now if they swap it back to 1d6 damage then we can call the small sword a rapier and call the true rapier a longsword. Here is another link that characterizes the small sword as a short sword. [url]http://www.medievalmartialarts.co.uk/broadsword-backsword-rapier-longsword[/url] Read the difference between a short sword and a rapier and the description of a short sword. [/QUOTE]

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