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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lokiare" data-source="post: 6265163" data-attributes="member: 83996">Again, I don't do semantic arguments. So you can just stop trying with that. It is a logically inconsistent arguing technique that does not bring us closer to closure on the issues being discussed.I referred to any character concept that you have to trade concept for mechanics. I just went into detail with the swashbuckler because that was the first thing to come to mind. Again rather than trying to stick to a specific example, why not refute the point by showing how you can make several effective character concepts in 5E that I mentioned in my list a few pages back? Or simply agree 5E is not as flexible as other editions and help me lobby for change so we can all get what we want?</blockquote>