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<blockquote data-quote="Yora" data-source="post: 6279864" data-attributes="member: 6670763"><p>Making a setting in which society is basically unfair by modern standards is not a problem. But don't expect any to be published under the D&D brand.</p><p>Dark Sun did kinda go in that direction, but never really went much into it, from what I know.</p><p></p><p>When I started working on my homebrew setting, making discrimination an issue was a very early descision. It doesn't have to mean that the world portrays mistreatment of some groups as normal or even good, but it's more interesting if it is regarded as controversial within the worlds society. I am perfectly fine with woman berserkers or foreigners in an elite organization, both as PCs and NPCs, in that setting. But I think it would be somewhat inappropriate to have all the other NPCs in the setting treat it as entirely normal and approve of it. It is of course entirely fictional and I could create any kind of world I want, which means also one that is completely perfect and where everyone is treated fairly and equal. But even though it's entirely fictional, it's still based on history, and it always seems to me like a kind of whitewashing to simply have some issues, that would have been very important in similar societies in Earths history, simply disappear. Of course, no writer should feel forced to include every social problem that has plagued the world appear within the fiction. There's all kinds of things I don't want to deal with either.</p><p>But I feel it's a better treatment of those issues to have them appear in the world and provide some ideas how they can be dealt with, then to have a world in which the problem doesn't exist. Fantasy wouldn't be what it is if there were no monsters and evil wizards to fight. And I rather have my slavery, sexism, and homophobia and try to fight it in the fiction, than to image a world in which the problems don't exist. It's not the ideal that matters in fantasy, but the struggle to get there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yora, post: 6279864, member: 6670763"] Making a setting in which society is basically unfair by modern standards is not a problem. But don't expect any to be published under the D&D brand. Dark Sun did kinda go in that direction, but never really went much into it, from what I know. When I started working on my homebrew setting, making discrimination an issue was a very early descision. It doesn't have to mean that the world portrays mistreatment of some groups as normal or even good, but it's more interesting if it is regarded as controversial within the worlds society. I am perfectly fine with woman berserkers or foreigners in an elite organization, both as PCs and NPCs, in that setting. But I think it would be somewhat inappropriate to have all the other NPCs in the setting treat it as entirely normal and approve of it. It is of course entirely fictional and I could create any kind of world I want, which means also one that is completely perfect and where everyone is treated fairly and equal. But even though it's entirely fictional, it's still based on history, and it always seems to me like a kind of whitewashing to simply have some issues, that would have been very important in similar societies in Earths history, simply disappear. Of course, no writer should feel forced to include every social problem that has plagued the world appear within the fiction. There's all kinds of things I don't want to deal with either. But I feel it's a better treatment of those issues to have them appear in the world and provide some ideas how they can be dealt with, then to have a world in which the problem doesn't exist. Fantasy wouldn't be what it is if there were no monsters and evil wizards to fight. And I rather have my slavery, sexism, and homophobia and try to fight it in the fiction, than to image a world in which the problems don't exist. It's not the ideal that matters in fantasy, but the struggle to get there. [/QUOTE]
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