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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 4526699" data-attributes="member: 65637">Just to throw it out, for however much it did wrong, the WoW RPG had a very interesting class called the Tinker, who had the ability to construct roughshod technological devices.&nbsp; That was pretty much his entire role - he didn't even have spells like the Artificer had, he was pure, 100% crafter.&nbsp; But thanks to some rather good rules on how to make custom items, it's one of my favorite classes in an RPG, period.&nbsp; Many of the pre-made items you could make or buy were very situational, and many completely unsuitable for combat.&nbsp; And still, the class worked amazingly well precisely as the MacGuyver type OR as the thief type, with abilities that let him super-speed his creation from weeks to days to hours, or the ability to scrounge for parts in the wilderness to make something unplanned.&nbsp; Even his actual combat related abilities were tied to his tinkering - he could throw the bombs and grenades he made, and one PrC was based entirely around him constructing a large steam-powered suit of armor to drive around while wrecking havoc.&nbsp; And the extra PrC levels didn't just give him two or three fighter bonus feats - it also gave him increased ability to craft new things for his armor.I think what I'm getting at here, was that the Tinker class wasn't combat based.&nbsp; He was craft-based.&nbsp; But the crafting gave him combat abilities other classes didn't have.&nbsp; He was, first and foremost, based on non-combat expertise, with his Craft Tech Device and assortment of thieving skills (Also a bonus that made you want to take forgery!&nbsp; Hooray!).&nbsp; Even that PrC, the Steam Knight, was based first on tinkering, second on combat.&nbsp; And it worked.&nbsp; Even the steam armor itself had the ability to hold a number of non-combat modules, such as a large air-tank to make it capable of traveling underwater for a period of time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 4526699, member: 65637"] Just to throw it out, for however much it did wrong, the WoW RPG had a very interesting class called the Tinker, who had the ability to construct roughshod technological devices. That was pretty much his entire role - he didn't even have spells like the Artificer had, he was pure, 100% crafter. But thanks to some rather good rules on how to make custom items, it's one of my favorite classes in an RPG, period. Many of the pre-made items you could make or buy were very situational, and many completely unsuitable for combat. And still, the class worked amazingly well precisely as the MacGuyver type OR as the thief type, with abilities that let him super-speed his creation from weeks to days to hours, or the ability to scrounge for parts in the wilderness to make something unplanned. Even his actual combat related abilities were tied to his tinkering - he could throw the bombs and grenades he made, and one PrC was based entirely around him constructing a large steam-powered suit of armor to drive around while wrecking havoc. And the extra PrC levels didn't just give him two or three fighter bonus feats - it also gave him increased ability to craft new things for his armor. I think what I'm getting at here, was that the Tinker class [B]wasn't[/B] combat based. He was craft-based. But the crafting gave him combat abilities other classes didn't have. He was, first and foremost, based on non-combat expertise, with his Craft Tech Device and assortment of thieving skills (Also a bonus that made you want to take forgery! Hooray!). Even that PrC, the Steam Knight, was based first on tinkering, second on combat. And it [I]worked[/I]. Even the steam armor itself had the ability to hold a number of non-combat modules, such as a large air-tank to make it capable of traveling underwater for a period of time. [/QUOTE]

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