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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4050195" data-attributes="member: 22779">Oh, I don't deny that people are getting up in arms about it.&nbsp; I just find it very ironic that in a combat system that is abstract from beginning to end, THIS is the &quot;cinder block&quot; that squishes the camel, to quote ByronD.We ignore and hand wave all sorts of abstractions in combat.&nbsp; And the thing to remember is that the battle map is ONLY used in combat.&nbsp; Movement rules, even in 3e only apply during combat.&nbsp; There is no squeezing outside of combat for example.&nbsp; Outside of combat, we handwave pretty much everything.So, we have an abstract system for combat.&nbsp; The battlegrid is a rough approximation of distance - we handwave the fact that nothing comes in discrete 5 foot distances, or a man on a horse suddenly exists in a quantum state that covers all four squares.&nbsp; But, changing the rules that, at best, is an abstract approximation, to another abstract approximation suddenly causes the downfall of civilization?So, yeah, I find it ironic that people get so immersed in this.&nbsp; It's abstract.&nbsp; It always has been abstract.&nbsp; Getting bent out of shape over a different abstract is ironic to me.&nbsp; YMMV and all that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 4050195, member: 22779"] Oh, I don't deny that people are getting up in arms about it. I just find it very ironic that in a combat system that is abstract from beginning to end, THIS is the "cinder block" that squishes the camel, to quote ByronD. We ignore and hand wave all sorts of abstractions in combat. And the thing to remember is that the battle map is ONLY used in combat. Movement rules, even in 3e only apply during combat. There is no squeezing outside of combat for example. Outside of combat, we handwave pretty much everything. So, we have an abstract system for combat. The battlegrid is a rough approximation of distance - we handwave the fact that nothing comes in discrete 5 foot distances, or a man on a horse suddenly exists in a quantum state that covers all four squares. But, changing the rules that, at best, is an abstract approximation, to another abstract approximation suddenly causes the downfall of civilization? So, yeah, I find it ironic that people get so immersed in this. It's abstract. It always has been abstract. Getting bent out of shape over a different abstract is ironic to me. YMMV and all that. [/QUOTE]

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