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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9509567" data-attributes="member: 177">Well, for starters, &quot;energy&quot; is not a state of matter.Next, there is no one &quot;the Ancients&quot;.&nbsp; By the time we are talking of &quot;the Ancients,&quot; humans had already covered the globe, and not everyone thought the same thing.&nbsp; There are several different older models of what the heck made up the universe, from several different cultures - &quot;air, earth, fire, water&quot; is only one such set.Several of the cultures which we think of with that set of elements actually also had a fifth - &quot;aether&quot;, or space/void/thought - that we neglect because accurately relating other people's ideas is not our strong suit <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Chinese culture had a different 5-element set: wood, fire, earth, metal, water.And the current fundamental forces of modern physics do not correspond to the states of matter or ancient elements.&nbsp; Humans tend to want to assert meaning on to coincidence (like the coincidence of there being 4 things in a model).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9509567, member: 177"] Well, for starters, "energy" is not a state of matter. Next, there is no one "the Ancients". By the time we are talking of "the Ancients," humans had already covered the globe, and not everyone thought the same thing. There are several different older models of what the heck made up the universe, from several different cultures - "air, earth, fire, water" is only one such set. Several of the cultures which we think of with that set of elements actually also had a fifth - "aether", or space/void/thought - that we neglect because accurately relating other people's ideas is not our strong suit :p Chinese culture had a different 5-element set: wood, fire, earth, metal, water. And the current fundamental forces of modern physics do not correspond to the states of matter or ancient elements. Humans tend to want to assert meaning on to coincidence (like the coincidence of there being 4 things in a model). [/QUOTE]

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