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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1263142" data-attributes="member: 8439">I find this a very odd way of looking at allignment. If we cannot bring the real world into as straightforward the example as this, then you are basicly saying that allignment is not related to ethics. And if allignment is not related to ethics, I say ditch it for any non supernatural issues. Just say that the D&D cosmology seperates magic and outsiders by two axis, the foo-bar seperation and the geek-nerd axis. Some classes and most spellcasting are magically tied to one "orientation" and usually people of radically different orrientations don't get along. But if you are going to call one of those axis good vs evil, and claim that the personal non magical actions of characters interact with the supernatural axis, then say that the real definitions and interpretations of good and evil are irrelevant... Honestly, thats crazy. Either character ethics play a role in D&D or they don't. If they do, real world comparisons are a useful, perhaps even vital way of judging so called grey areas (this isn't one, IMO, I'm on the 'way evil' side.) If they don't, allignments are a concern for spellcasters and outsiders and need new names...Kahuna Burger</blockquote>