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<blockquote data-quote="Tellerve" data-source="post: 1180769" data-attributes="member: 2412">Hmm, well the problem could come up that cma would then even moreso get overshadowed by a brawler.&nbsp; Since the brawlers damage goes up fairly high with just two feats he could have a good chance of knocking out an opponent, and then effectively killing him if need be more easily than a combat martial artist.Now, of course if the two were fighting the cma would get to try and hit the brawler beforehand but with 2 feats along the cma tree he'd still just be doing 1d4 lethal or nonlethal with his attack.&nbsp; That is a pretty paltry fort save, whereas the brawler would have a +2 to hit and 1d8.&nbsp; Almost double the damage and chance for a knockout that way.&nbsp; *shrugs* This was/is probably obvious to everyone but I felt some reason to write it.&nbsp; Maybe in a test for these boards to see if they'd eat the post likey they seem to be doing lately.I think a way for me to eventually let this settle would be to have the knockout and streetwise feats apply to the cma tree as well.&nbsp; That way a person could do a &quot;judo chop!&quot; and knockout a thug as easily as the brawler.Takyris I'd be interested to see what you think of the vp/wp converstion.&nbsp; I'm away from all my books and don't have my mind fully into number crunching and mechanic tweaking.Tellerve</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tellerve, post: 1180769, member: 2412"] Hmm, well the problem could come up that cma would then even moreso get overshadowed by a brawler. Since the brawlers damage goes up fairly high with just two feats he could have a good chance of knocking out an opponent, and then effectively killing him if need be more easily than a combat martial artist. Now, of course if the two were fighting the cma would get to try and hit the brawler beforehand but with 2 feats along the cma tree he'd still just be doing 1d4 lethal or nonlethal with his attack. That is a pretty paltry fort save, whereas the brawler would have a +2 to hit and 1d8. Almost double the damage and chance for a knockout that way. *shrugs* This was/is probably obvious to everyone but I felt some reason to write it. Maybe in a test for these boards to see if they'd eat the post likey they seem to be doing lately. I think a way for me to eventually let this settle would be to have the knockout and streetwise feats apply to the cma tree as well. That way a person could do a "judo chop!" and knockout a thug as easily as the brawler. Takyris I'd be interested to see what you think of the vp/wp converstion. I'm away from all my books and don't have my mind fully into number crunching and mechanic tweaking. Tellerve [/QUOTE]

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