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<blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 404908" data-attributes="member: 812">Hey RW:My campaign is completely amoral, without any reference to alignment at all. Nothing is good or evil or chaotic or lawful.I've run into the same problem as you, where the party doesn't seem to have strong reasons to stick together and fight some heroic fight. I've taken a couple of approaches.Give them nasty, ruthless NPC enemies who attract the PC's utter hatred. I've had great success in getting them riled up at some unpleasant sorcerer or scary vampire child. It gets even more fun when an NPC they've come to hate suddenly turns out to need their help.Get the players on your side. A little out-of-game discussion can do wonders. I assume your players are smart enough to figure out that they NEED to stay together just to keep the campaign managable, so encourage them to come up with in-character reasons for them to do so.Put their personal priorities in jeopardy. Most people value their families or their hometowns more than the empire to which they belong. Get them defending each other's homes and they'll start feeling more like heroes.Put THEM in danger. Give them big, scary enemies who want them dead. Who show up at inopportune moments to cackle in approved bad-guy fashion and unleash six kinds of whoop-ash on them. A bad guy who wants to kill them BEFORE he conquers the world can force the most amoral party into grand heroics, even if it's just to save their own skins. There's lots of great stories in that notion.I have great fun without morals. And it's easier for me to believe in my NPCs and play them to the hilt when I don't have to come up with some definition of &quot;evil&quot; that doesn't seem completely insane to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="barsoomcore, post: 404908, member: 812"] Hey RW: My campaign is completely amoral, without any reference to alignment at all. Nothing is good or evil or chaotic or lawful. I've run into the same problem as you, where the party doesn't seem to have strong reasons to stick together and fight some heroic fight. I've taken a couple of approaches. Give them nasty, ruthless NPC enemies who attract the PC's utter hatred. I've had great success in getting them riled up at some unpleasant sorcerer or scary vampire child. It gets even more fun when an NPC they've come to hate suddenly turns out to need their help. Get the players on your side. A little out-of-game discussion can do wonders. I assume your players are smart enough to figure out that they NEED to stay together just to keep the campaign managable, so encourage them to come up with in-character reasons for them to do so. Put their personal priorities in jeopardy. Most people value their families or their hometowns more than the empire to which they belong. Get them defending each other's homes and they'll start feeling more like heroes. Put THEM in danger. Give them big, scary enemies who want them dead. Who show up at inopportune moments to cackle in approved bad-guy fashion and unleash six kinds of whoop-ash on them. A bad guy who wants to kill them BEFORE he conquers the world can force the most amoral party into grand heroics, even if it's just to save their own skins. There's lots of great stories in that notion. I have great fun without morals. And it's easier for me to believe in my NPCs and play them to the hilt when I don't have to come up with some definition of "evil" that doesn't seem completely insane to me. [/QUOTE]

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