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Non-Vancian Wizards and Casting Mechanics as a "Hook"
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<blockquote data-quote="Kavon" data-source="post: 5959851" data-attributes="member: 9822"><p>I like it as well, and seeing as the point of the Core is to be simple, with added complexity through modular options, the sorcerer's spellcasting system is the way to go (if it is the most simple way WotC can come up with).</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is why it's important for classes to be able to stand on their own, through class features, spell lists, etc - a spellcasting system just isn't a class.</p><p></p><p>If two classes are in every way the same, except for the spellcasting system, they should be merged into one class write up.</p><p>For example, in 3rd edition, compare the Cleric and the Druid classes. They are similar, they were very similar in the previous edition (both being Priest subclasses), but they both have their own special class features and their own spell lists. Now compare the Wizard and the Sorcerer.</p><p>I'm sure many disagree, but I was never content with this strange distinction - they were basically the same class, just done in slightly different ways (ok, the Wizard has some additional class features, which were basically just all bonus feats anyway). I suppose it's because the Sorcerer's spellcasting system was such a departure from what people were used to before then.</p><p>I would hope we've grown out of that by now, though, as a gaming community.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not a fan of Backgrounds and/or Themes being required to fix everything (as a sort of feat tax). Their function is that of options, of something flexible, to make your character your own.</p><p>If people are shoe-horned into specific ones, there's something wrong.</p><p></p><p>For example: If, instead of having the option of making a Slayer Wizard, or a Healer Wizard, or what have you, I instead need to make a Spontaneous Wizard to get rid of that Vancian stuff, I'm being robbed of a Theme.</p><p>Even if the so called Spontaneous Theme would give feats that give an adequate increase of power or such, it's still taking away one of my options.</p><p></p><p>Also, if you opt out of using Themes, you still need to be able to play the way you want (an arguement that works for many different topics).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kavon, post: 5959851, member: 9822"] I like it as well, and seeing as the point of the Core is to be simple, with added complexity through modular options, the sorcerer's spellcasting system is the way to go (if it is the most simple way WotC can come up with). This is why it's important for classes to be able to stand on their own, through class features, spell lists, etc - a spellcasting system just isn't a class. If two classes are in every way the same, except for the spellcasting system, they should be merged into one class write up. For example, in 3rd edition, compare the Cleric and the Druid classes. They are similar, they were very similar in the previous edition (both being Priest subclasses), but they both have their own special class features and their own spell lists. Now compare the Wizard and the Sorcerer. I'm sure many disagree, but I was never content with this strange distinction - they were basically the same class, just done in slightly different ways (ok, the Wizard has some additional class features, which were basically just all bonus feats anyway). I suppose it's because the Sorcerer's spellcasting system was such a departure from what people were used to before then. I would hope we've grown out of that by now, though, as a gaming community. I'm not a fan of Backgrounds and/or Themes being required to fix everything (as a sort of feat tax). Their function is that of options, of something flexible, to make your character your own. If people are shoe-horned into specific ones, there's something wrong. For example: If, instead of having the option of making a Slayer Wizard, or a Healer Wizard, or what have you, I instead need to make a Spontaneous Wizard to get rid of that Vancian stuff, I'm being robbed of a Theme. Even if the so called Spontaneous Theme would give feats that give an adequate increase of power or such, it's still taking away one of my options. Also, if you opt out of using Themes, you still need to be able to play the way you want (an arguement that works for many different topics). [/QUOTE]
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