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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5416420" data-attributes="member: 92305">It says one of two things...and, it's not clear which it is saying, which I made clear in my last post. It says either... 1.  That you go unconscious when your hp is less than your nonlethal damage, and there is nothing said about dying.  Thus -3 hp vs 1 nonlethal hp means unconscious and not dying. Or, it the rules are saying... 2.  That you go unconscious when your hp are less than your nonlethal damage, but if you go into negative hp, you're also dying as normal--as if you didn't have any nonlethal points.   The 3.5E rules are pretty clear in most of the book, so one would think that, on page 148, the dying part would be mentioned. If you go strictly by what the rules say, then the answer is #1 above.  If you add in the hp rule from another part of the book, then #2 is the answer.   I prefer #2, myself, and is how I will interpret the rule in my game.  But, I'm not so sure that's what is intended in the the rule book.</blockquote>