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<blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 1106814" data-attributes="member: 3887">I used to have a problem with it......seeing as my group has an ex-cop bouncer tough-guy character who is going the Brawler route, but refuses to take Combat Martial Arts.I mean, it takes a lot of talents/feats to really become effective, and that seems like much cost/little benefit......unless you're playing a game where the heroes are freelances/dilettantes [such as a high school kid, a bouncer, a bike messenger, and a cook from Chinatown].Disabling enemies without doing lethal damage is a tremendous advantage. My group learned this the hard way after a big fight in an abandonned warehouse w/some Triad members. The last two characters standing feverously performed first aid --on everyone-- since no-one wanted to face a murder rap. Sure, its easier to use guns, but there are a lot more laws against that....Leaving a heap of dead foes in your wake is great in Hyperborea, or Grayhawk, but its somewhat problematic in Philadelphia [well, not so much in North Philly].Mu biggest remaining gripe is that Brawlers don't provoke AoO's. becasue they're not &quot;armed&quot;. That's silly. Mike Tyson couldn't take advantage of you dropping your guard, but a 10-year girl wielding a knife could??</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mallus, post: 1106814, member: 3887"] [b]I used to have a problem with it...[/b] ...seeing as my group has an ex-cop bouncer tough-guy character who is going the Brawler route, but refuses to take Combat Martial Arts. I mean, it takes a lot of talents/feats to really become effective, and that seems like much cost/little benefit... ...unless you're playing a game where the heroes are freelances/dilettantes [such as a high school kid, a bouncer, a bike messenger, and a cook from Chinatown]. Disabling enemies without doing lethal damage is a tremendous advantage. My group learned this the hard way after a big fight in an abandonned warehouse w/some Triad members. The last two characters standing feverously performed first aid --on everyone-- since no-one wanted to face a murder rap. Sure, its easier to use guns, but there are a lot more laws against that.... Leaving a heap of dead foes in your wake is great in Hyperborea, or Grayhawk, but its somewhat problematic in Philadelphia [well, not so much in North Philly]. Mu biggest remaining gripe is that Brawlers don't provoke AoO's. becasue they're not "armed". That's silly. Mike Tyson couldn't take advantage of you dropping your guard, but a 10-year girl wielding a knife could?? [/QUOTE]

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