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<blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 1106972" data-attributes="member: 172">Hey, takyris. Just a few more nitpicks and we can get back to our state of cool disagreeance. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Er, never said that blunt force trauma couldn't be considered lethal, or that unarmed attacks can't be lethal. It's just not typical. I am far more likely to crush veins and break bones with a baseball bat. But overall, I am satisfied with the -4 to inflict lethal damage rule to handle this.Knocked unconscious? No. Had the wind knocked out of me to where is was pretty clear I was the loser? Yes. In a condition where I knew if I pressed on I could get knocked unconscious? Yes.It is not the intent of my house rules to have negative nonlethal strictly represent an unconsious condition, but also reeling/wind knocked out of you/battered conditions that are typical at the end of a fight. So point ceded there; I need to refine the D&amp;D definintion of nonlethal damage there.But having a sensible measure of accumalting nonlethal damage seems inherent to a fisticuffs style combat, and a situation where two people cannot harm each other short of permanent lethal damage I consider intolerable and too grossly innacurate a model.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Psion, post: 1106972, member: 172"] Hey, takyris. Just a few more nitpicks and we can get back to our state of cool disagreeance. ;) Er, never said that blunt force trauma couldn't be considered lethal, or that unarmed attacks can't be lethal. It's just not [i]typical[/i]. I am far more likely to crush veins and break bones with a baseball bat. But overall, I am satisfied with the -4 to inflict lethal damage rule to handle this. Knocked unconscious? No. Had the wind knocked out of me to where is was pretty clear I was the loser? Yes. In a condition where I knew if I pressed on I could get knocked unconscious? Yes. It is not the intent of my house rules to have negative nonlethal strictly represent an unconsious condition, but also reeling/wind knocked out of you/battered conditions that are typical at the end of a fight. So point ceded there; I need to refine the D&D definintion of nonlethal damage there. But having a sensible measure of accumalting nonlethal damage seems [i]inherent[/i] to a fisticuffs style combat, and a situation where two people cannot harm each other short of permanent lethal damage I consider intolerable and too grossly innacurate a model. [/QUOTE]

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