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<blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 1435462" data-attributes="member: 78">One thing to consider about a magical arms race is that it doesn't necessarily preclude mundane solutions - in fact, it can make them even more important.&nbsp; Think about scrying and all the different defenses against it.&nbsp; Eventually things max out with Mind Blank defeating Discern Location.&nbsp; So the Mind Blanked archmage is essentially unfindable.&nbsp; Except for the guy with lots of contacts who tracks down the wizard by using Gather Information.&nbsp; Same thing for Invisibility and Hide.&nbsp; Invisibility is easy, but spells can defeat.&nbsp; So there's an arms race there.&nbsp; But Hiding really well can work regardless of anti-invis spells.And characters can definitely be &quot;the best&quot; and still lose.&nbsp; Our group of 16th level characters was within a hair of losing to a 7-10th level team that hired 30 1st level archers.&nbsp; They might have won if their low caster levels didn't cause their crippling spells to wear off in the middle of the fight.&nbsp; That was humiliating - and boring: another player and I were essentially out the entire fight.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Victim, post: 1435462, member: 78"] One thing to consider about a magical arms race is that it doesn't necessarily preclude mundane solutions - in fact, it can make them even more important. Think about scrying and all the different defenses against it. Eventually things max out with Mind Blank defeating Discern Location. So the Mind Blanked archmage is essentially unfindable. Except for the guy with lots of contacts who tracks down the wizard by using Gather Information. Same thing for Invisibility and Hide. Invisibility is easy, but spells can defeat. So there's an arms race there. But Hiding really well can work regardless of anti-invis spells. And characters can definitely be "the best" and still lose. Our group of 16th level characters was within a hair of losing to a 7-10th level team that hired 30 1st level archers. They might have won if their low caster levels didn't cause their crippling spells to wear off in the middle of the fight. That was humiliating - and boring: another player and I were essentially out the entire fight. [/QUOTE]

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