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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quasqueton" data-source="post: 1577582" data-attributes="member: 3854">In torchlight. . .a human and a halfling can see 20' clearly, and another 20' shadowy.a gnome and an elf can see 40' clearly, and another 40' shadowy.a dwarf and a orc can see 20' clearly, and then 40' more feet in black and white. (No such thing as shadow to darkvision?)So, the human and halfling cannot see the drow assassin 50' away. The gnome and elf can see a silhouette. The dwarf and orc see the drow perfectly, but only in black and white. If the drow was 20' more away, the human and halfling still couldn't see him. The gnome and elf could still see just a silhouette. The dwarf and orc now couldn't see him at all.Now think on this:At night, under a starry sky. . .a human and a halfling can see all around in shadowy condition.a gnome and an elf can see all around clearly.a dwarf and a orc can see 60' in black and white, but what do they see beyond that? Shadows?Do you have problems with the various visions in D&D? I find them terribly difficult especially in good-sized underground battles.Quasqueton</blockquote>