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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8932624" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>Hopefully, this has been corrected. If not, go to the main page, and then navigate to imaginairum and then to thoughts to find the collection.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree in part. Yes, there were a number of indie games in the <em>early 2000s </em>that were "from the Forge." As a community where game designers discussed ideas, it was successful, and some of the ideas that were discussed on the community later became prominent with influential designers (Vincent Baker, for example).</p><p></p><p>However, the Forge as synecdoche for game theory was not influential, and is not used by game designers today- hence my description of the polite smiles when asked about it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean ... if you go to the first page of this thread, and you look at the thing I linked to, you will see that I reference an academic work on the Forge. Again, if you're talking about music, you talk about the punk rock period!</p><p></p><p>You just don't have the punk rock period be the be-all, end-all of discussion. IMO.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I obviously don't know what you have in mind, but I know that I've covered topics in the past that have dealt with matters of inclusivity. See, eg., this-</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.enworld.org/threads/pride-month-a-brief-history-of-representation-in-ttrpgs.689055/[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. That said, I think that LARPs are a useful measuring stick to show the TTRPG community that academic work, and basic definitions, are quite possible in the field- the amount of high-level work done in, inter alia, the Nordic LARP shows that this is quite possible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, not all academic work is the same. But cherrypicking individual pieces and saying, "Ha! Academic stuff is for losers who don't know what they're talking about ..." is kinda ... not productive. You can take any discipline (film, literary, music study etc.) and pull out random articles that you disagree with. "Can you believe this rube! He is trying to talk about the Marxist structures of Thomas the Tank Engine! What a mo-ran!"</p><p></p><p>Sometimes, academic papers have to start by pointing out the really obvious stuff and building from there. Because, you know, duh?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>....things that are interesting to you, are most interesting to you. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I am glad that you found something helpful out there!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8932624, member: 7023840"] Hopefully, this has been corrected. If not, go to the main page, and then navigate to imaginairum and then to thoughts to find the collection. I agree in part. Yes, there were a number of indie games in the [I]early 2000s [/I]that were "from the Forge." As a community where game designers discussed ideas, it was successful, and some of the ideas that were discussed on the community later became prominent with influential designers (Vincent Baker, for example). However, the Forge as synecdoche for game theory was not influential, and is not used by game designers today- hence my description of the polite smiles when asked about it. I mean ... if you go to the first page of this thread, and you look at the thing I linked to, you will see that I reference an academic work on the Forge. Again, if you're talking about music, you talk about the punk rock period! You just don't have the punk rock period be the be-all, end-all of discussion. IMO. I obviously don't know what you have in mind, but I know that I've covered topics in the past that have dealt with matters of inclusivity. See, eg., this- [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.enworld.org/threads/pride-month-a-brief-history-of-representation-in-ttrpgs.689055/[/URL] I agree. That said, I think that LARPs are a useful measuring stick to show the TTRPG community that academic work, and basic definitions, are quite possible in the field- the amount of high-level work done in, inter alia, the Nordic LARP shows that this is quite possible. Again, not all academic work is the same. But cherrypicking individual pieces and saying, "Ha! Academic stuff is for losers who don't know what they're talking about ..." is kinda ... not productive. You can take any discipline (film, literary, music study etc.) and pull out random articles that you disagree with. "Can you believe this rube! He is trying to talk about the Marxist structures of Thomas the Tank Engine! What a mo-ran!" Sometimes, academic papers have to start by pointing out the really obvious stuff and building from there. Because, you know, duh? ....things that are interesting to you, are most interesting to you. :) I am glad that you found something helpful out there! [/QUOTE]
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