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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8935000" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Although, Luke and Thor didn’t write a concentric design article, they’ve commented on the subject.  You would need to look at Mouse Guard as proto-Torchbearer and tease out the concentric design relationship between the two.You could pull out some stuff of MG and get to layer 1, but the game defaults to layer 2.You could pull out a whole_bunch_of_stuff in TB and reverse engineer exactly to MG (and that layer 2), but TB defaults to what VB would categorize as layer 4 (all the things).But, on the whole, TB (layer 4 MG) is just way more complicated and intricate than even layer 4 AW.As far as your post after this…not doing this. I wrote what I wrote. You can dispute the key parts of my premise all you like. Zoom out, abstract/reduce, and call me a douche? Not doing it.The only thing I’ll add is it can’t both be feature and bug of the nostalgia edition to not require assimilation of a vast, foreign text of rules to discuss play coherently and run a game! The game’s (5e) design was literally (and overtly…the designers stated it plainly) designed with this as a/the core, undergirding tenet (effectively a rebuke of 4e).EDIT - lol, that is funny. I totally missed that this post was from [USER=71235]@niklinna[/USER] and the next post was [USER=48965]@Imaro[/USER] .I thought they were both from imaro! I was thinking “wow, thats a very cordial amd thoughtful post followed up by an immediate YOU’RE A BIG JERK MANBEARCAT post…that’s odd!”Now it makes more sense!Ok, rest over. I’m going back to climbing! Enjoy your afternoons all!</blockquote>

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