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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8935854" data-attributes="member: 6795602">To reiterate - you agreed that at least to some extent that the term map and key was about a 'guessing game'To reiterate - you gave the proposed explanation that people in general just don't like D&amp;D's potential fail states to be pointed out.To reiterate - i pointed out that this was nonsensical sense they see and interact with others experiencing D&amp;D's fail states.To reiterate - i asked you what else it could be? and you responded with - I don't know.To reiterate - i then provided an alternative explanation for what the objection is and you reject it because 'i've not argued it'I'm sorry, but my argument is simple - in absence of a better explanation for what is being objected to, the only one that makes any sense is mine.I'd describe it more as people believing they are more objective than they actually are.&nbsp; Many of them may also not have any intention of calling D&amp;D a 'guessing game' despite what the listeners hear.&nbsp; One other question - why am I getting the Spanish Inquistion over stating I didn't like the term 'map and key' despite using it in discussion.&nbsp; Why does it really matter whether I like it or not?&nbsp; Why do I have to prove it's a bad term instead of just explaining why I dislike it?&nbsp; Why is this that important?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8935854, member: 6795602"] To reiterate - you agreed that at least to some extent that the term map and key was about a 'guessing game' To reiterate - you gave the proposed explanation that people in general just don't like D&D's potential fail states to be pointed out. To reiterate - i pointed out that this was nonsensical sense they see and interact with others experiencing D&D's fail states. To reiterate - i asked you what else it could be? and you responded with - I don't know. To reiterate - i then provided an alternative explanation for what the objection is and you reject it because 'i've not argued it' I'm sorry, but my argument is simple - in absence of a better explanation for what is being objected to, the only one that makes any sense is mine. I'd describe it more as people believing they are more objective than they actually are. Many of them may also not have any intention of calling D&D a 'guessing game' despite what the listeners hear. One other question - why am I getting the Spanish Inquistion over stating I didn't like the term 'map and key' despite using it in discussion. Why does it really matter whether I like it or not? Why do I have to prove it's a bad term instead of just explaining why I dislike it? Why is this that important? [/QUOTE]

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