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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8935890" data-attributes="member: 42582">What aversion?<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/torchbearer-2e-actual-play-of-this-awesome-system.691233/" target="_blank">Here</a> you can read my actual play posts for my current Torchbearer campaign, which uses map-and-key to constrain framing (in the Adventure phrase) and also to constrain aspects of resolution (mostly &quot;We move . . . &quot; and &quot;We look . . .&quot;).It's not an aversion to point out that it is not the only way to do RPGing. Nor to point out that many RPGers who are mostly familiar with D&amp;D can struggle to grasp RPGs that don't rely on map-and-key for framing or resolution.I don't follow this at all. AD&amp;D, 4e D&amp;D, Classic Traveller, Burning Wheel, Torchbearer - all have different sorts of &quot;hardcoded&quot; rules for PC creation. None involves a map or a key. They tend to involve lists, and various rules for how options are chosen from those lists.I'm not sure what sort of &quot;clever disguise&quot; you have in mind.<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/torchbearer-2nd-ed-actual-play.686046/post-8557834" target="_blank">I used a published adventure in Torchbearer</a>: The Tower of Stars from the Cartographer's Compendium. It has a map and a key, which are used in framing and resolution as I described above.<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/session-report-apect-of-vecna-defeated-demon-bargained-with.355600/" target="_blank">I adapted a Robin Laws Hero Wars scenario to 4e D&amp;D</a> - The Demon of the Red Grove. The published scenario does not include a map or a key. Nor did my 4e adaptation.By &quot;character&quot; do you mean &quot;player&quot;?As I posted upthread, I have no idea what RPG you think you are describing via &quot;Rationale&quot;. Are you able to give an example?[/url]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8935890, member: 42582"] What aversion? [url=https://www.enworld.org/threads/torchbearer-2e-actual-play-of-this-awesome-system.691233/]Here[/url] you can read my actual play posts for my current Torchbearer campaign, which uses map-and-key to constrain framing (in the Adventure phrase) and also to constrain aspects of resolution (mostly "We move . . . " and "We look . . ."). It's not an [i]aversion[/i] to point out that it is not the only way to do RPGing. Nor to point out that many RPGers who are mostly familiar with D&D can struggle to grasp RPGs that don't rely on map-and-key for framing or resolution. I don't follow this at all. AD&D, 4e D&D, Classic Traveller, Burning Wheel, Torchbearer - all have different sorts of "hardcoded" rules for PC creation. None involves a map or a key. They tend to involve lists, and various rules for how options are chosen from those lists. I'm not sure what sort of "clever disguise" you have in mind. [url=https://www.enworld.org/threads/torchbearer-2nd-ed-actual-play.686046/post-8557834]I used a published adventure in Torchbearer[/url]: The Tower of Stars from the Cartographer's Compendium. It has a map and a key, which are used in framing and resolution as I described above. [url=https://www.enworld.org/threads/session-report-apect-of-vecna-defeated-demon-bargained-with.355600/]I adapted a Robin Laws Hero Wars scenario to 4e D&D[/url] - The Demon of the Red Grove. The published scenario does not include a map or a key. Nor did my 4e adaptation. By "character" do you mean "player"? As I posted upthread, I have no idea what RPG you think you are describing via "Rationale". Are you able to give an example?[/url] [/QUOTE]

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