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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8939922" data-attributes="member: 29398">There's also Dominated (Charmed dialled to eleven) and Possessed.In 1e D&amp;D there's an Illusionist spell called (I think) Emotion, in which the caster can choose one of four emotions that all within the AoE will feel for the duration if a save is failed.&nbsp; The possible emotions are Rage, Hopelessness, Fear, and Hate; and mechanical consequences are tied to each one.So things like this aren't quite unheard-of in D&amp;D-land, just really obscure. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />One could in turn argue that all this does is a) change the source of the oppression from the GM to the game rules and b) hard-codify the severity and effects of said oppression.&nbsp; Player side, it ends up looking pretty much the same. And note I'm not arguing against said oppression in these cases; I see it as the expected and accepted drawback balancing out all the benefits that faith gives those classes.For the first, yes and yes: the mechanical consequences of a crisis of faith could easily manifest as loss of (some, or all) spells or other class abilities until such crisis has been sorted.The other two questions are entirely in the purview of the player, acting in character, and IMO there's no place to hard-code these things as every player (and even every character played by the same player) is going to react to these things differently and should have the freedom to do so.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8939922, member: 29398"] There's also Dominated (Charmed dialled to eleven) and Possessed. In 1e D&D there's an Illusionist spell called (I think) Emotion, in which the caster can choose one of four emotions that all within the AoE will feel for the duration if a save is failed. The possible emotions are Rage, Hopelessness, Fear, and Hate; and mechanical consequences are tied to each one. So things like this aren't quite unheard-of in D&D-land, just really obscure. :) One could in turn argue that all this does is a) change the source of the oppression from the GM to the game rules and b) hard-codify the severity and effects of said oppression. Player side, it ends up looking pretty much the same. And note I'm not arguing against said oppression in these cases; I see it as the expected and accepted drawback balancing out all the benefits that faith gives those classes. For the first, yes and yes: the mechanical consequences of a crisis of faith could easily manifest as loss of (some, or all) spells or other class abilities until such crisis has been sorted. The other two questions are entirely in the purview of the player, acting in character, and IMO there's no place to hard-code these things as every player (and even every character played by the same player) is going to react to these things differently and should have the freedom to do so. [/QUOTE]

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