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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grendel_Khan" data-source="post: 8940815" data-attributes="member: 7028554">There's a difference between dismissing entire play modes—specifically when it's because those modes aren't the dismisser's only personally preferred mode, and is only discussing them to say that they suck—and critically analyzing how and whether different games are successful for those modes.But there are a couple of important factors here, as well:-A lot of us who get lumped into some sort of non-trad, storygame-only camp, in fact play trad games—including 5e—on a pretty regular basis. But the way these discussions go often winds up pigeonholing us as troublemaking trad-haters, whether because we're talking about design innovations in the indie gaming space, or because we aren't constantly paying sufficient obeisance to 5e, even when the mechanics at hand have nothing to do with 5e or similar trad games. The truth is, sometimes it's just more interesting to talk about lots of different, smaller games, than to talk about D&D-related mechanics that have been around for close to 50 years, and an edition whose own innovations are necessarily iterative.-As [USER=18]@Ruin Explorer[/USER] talked about upthread, re: someone potentially criticizing Spire on specific game design points, that sort of analysis is by and large not going to invoke the sort of handwringing and "how dare you?!" blowback from fans of non-trad games, because we generally aren't married to a single game over the course of decades. I'm currently extremely into Scum and Villainy, and specifically as a system that imo handles certain Star Wars tropes better than any licensed SW game to date. But if someone was to note that you can't really do a heroic Jedi story with it, or that it's a bad fit for exploration-heavy sci-fi, or that it would fail spectacularly at a Rogue Squadron dogfight-heavy campaign, I would agree, in part because Scum and Villainy doesn't try to be all things to all people, and I'd wager than no one who likes the game thinks that it, or any other FitD game, is the One True Way to play every kind of campaign or adventure.To go back (maybe unwisely) to my MCU framing, if I want to talk about really interesting things happening in movies, I'd love to talk about Tar or Ambulance or Creed or basically anything but the MCU, because the MCU, for all of its enjoyable qualities and understandably loyal fans, isn't pushing the form in ways that are new or surprising or complicated enough to really warrant discussion. At least in my opinion—and I'm one of those suckers who's liked every single MCU TV show so far!</blockquote>

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