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<blockquote data-quote="Campbell" data-source="post: 8940878" data-attributes="member: 16586">[USER=48965]@Imaro[/USER]I am just looking for a basic level of respect. Acknowledgement that Apocalypse World and other games provide a play experience you cannot get elsewhere. Acknowledgement that different styles of play are better or worse at different things. We can quibble over where those lines are, but if you do not respect what I am doing you should just say so and we can proceed from there. Just don't pretend I'm the elitist or that this is about jargon in any demonstrable way.I have personally at many times talked about how well designed I think 5e is. That it does what it does phenomenally well. That's the highest praise I can give any game. That never seems to be good enough though. 5e has to somehow be elevated above other games. Trad games have to be capable of providing the same sorts of experiences as indie games. If I stick up for the years of experience, I have running games in other styles, I am somehow the malcontent instead of those who have called me selfish or irrelevant. Who have insisted I must have just had bad GMs. Who say the way I run some games can never work.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Campbell, post: 8940878, member: 16586"] [USER=48965]@Imaro[/USER] I am just looking for a basic level of respect. Acknowledgement that Apocalypse World and other games provide a play experience you cannot get elsewhere. Acknowledgement that different styles of play are better or worse at different things. We can quibble over where those lines are, but if you do not respect what I am doing you should just say so and we can proceed from there. Just don't pretend I'm the elitist or that this is about jargon in any demonstrable way. I have personally at many times talked about how well designed I think 5e is. That it does what it does phenomenally well. That's the highest praise I can give any game. That never seems to be good enough though. 5e has to somehow be elevated above other games. Trad games have to be capable of providing the same sorts of experiences as indie games. If I stick up for the years of experience, I have running games in other styles, I am somehow the malcontent instead of those who have called me selfish or irrelevant. Who have insisted I must have just had bad GMs. Who say the way I run some games can never work. [/QUOTE]

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