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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 9475630" data-attributes="member: 20564">Okay, a choice, but not one required by the choice of subclass.Okay, so they made it so that you couldn't cherry pick it's features for other types of spellcasters.  In general, that's a fantastic move and I approve."Most fighters dump intelligence" is not really germane to the conversation.  First, we're not talking about most fighters, we're talking about about a fighter subclass that specifically uses Int.  Second, you are putting at least a 13 into CHR to allow multiclassing, so it seems it's perfectly viable to put points into it.Because they are very different classes, doing different things?  One is a full caster with some martial ability but not enough to keep up with dedicated martial characters, and the other is a full martial on a resilient chassis with some minor casting.I understand that you haven't actually played your "favorite fighter subclass" ever -- you've just used it to pick up features for other casters.  But if you play it, you would be able to understand how it differs from a valor bard.  That you can't understand it is why you don't value the class and subclass, and why you are saying that you hate it -- not because of what it does, but because it actually enforces staying on theme and that's never what you did with it.</blockquote>