Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9476593" data-attributes="member: 7030563">You can not do it with a splash.  The Warmagic feature on Eldritch Knight only works with Cantrips you get from your Eldritch Knight feature.  So that means the two Cantrips I choose with Eldritch Knight.I can't even do it on a single class EK if I get Truestrike from Elf or a feat.This limites you to two (3 at high level) Cantrips you can use with Warmagic.There are plenty of spells that don't use Intelligence (including Cantrips) and this is especially true in 2014 with the requirements for Abjurations which rarely use Intelligence.Yes the problem is I can't do this while also having a very high Charisma.I played a lot of EKs using the 2014 rules, after 2018 it was one of only 3 subclasses I played (the others being Arcane Archer and Rune Knight) and was the one I played most often and I never played it with a high Intelligence.Let me put it this way - If I roll good enough that I get an 18, and two natural 16s this works out ok.  I put my 20 in Charisma, a 17 in intelligence and a 16 in Strength to start then I boost Intelligence to 20 my first two feats and I am good.Any other way I do it I have to either accept having poor rolls on my Cantrips or I have to accept less Charisma then I should have with a Fighter and those rolls.But then I can not effectively use Warmagic in the new rules.Arcane Archer is a pretty cool class as is.  I don't see much need for change.No I don't.  I would not even take a 2nd level in Warlock most likely and not until very high level if I did.  I want True Strike on Charisma and spells on Charisma.When I have played this most of the time in 2014 it was with a Sorcerer, not a WarlockBut the fighters I like to play are all about it.This could be a literal interpretation of RAW, but when you read the whole section in context it is pretty clear they mean the spells you know as an Eldritch Kinght.There would be no problem with this interpretation as I could get Truestrike as a Bard or Sorcerer and it is still on the Wizard list, but that is obviously not what is meant.Yes but then I would have a low Charisma, and I am not interested in playing an EK with a low Charisma. But they can't be used with Warmagic.There are enough available through EK if you have another caster class you are preparing offensive spells with.  There are not enough on EK alone because you are extremely limited on both prepared spells and slots.No but it is the part I care abotu playing.Warlocks are not squishier IME, Bards can be depending on your spell selection and ability scores.What you quoted was a response to a post that stated implied I wanted to be able to do this to be good at melee, utility and social pillar with good spells.I pointed out that the classes I mentioned can be built to do all these things .... and yes I think the 2024 Valor Bard can do all 3 better than a fighter.Compared to a full caster optimized for melee and using spells explicitly for melee support, they have less total hit points, lower effective AC and generally weaker attacks.Just because fighters can be outclassed in melee by full casters doesn't mean they can't be fun to play though.Weapon Masteries and Fighting Style Feats are neat but they have nowhere near as powerful as high-level spells in melee.That is different though, to start with you can't multiclass a Wizard with a low Intelligence however, if I give her a low intelligence and get Truestrike as an Elf on my 20 Charisma  Truestrike will work quite well.  Also if said single class Wizard is a Bladesinger and I take medium armor feat and Pact of the Blade feat and have a 14+ Dexterity and 13+ strength, said Wizard will rock in melee even with a 3 intelligence .... not as good as a Bladesinger with a high intelligence, but pretty darn good just the same.I don't think I need a Fighter dip on a V. Bard, but this is a different kind of character.  One I will probably play but different.This is an entirely different character with no fighter levels at all and a rabbit hole not really germane to this thread.</blockquote>

Verification