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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9478155" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>You can't effecrtively use any offensive Cantrip + attack if you play with a low intelligence ... or at least none that are effective.</p><p></p><p>While you can technically use Chill Touch or Toll The Dead or True Strike with War Magic and say a 6 intelligence, doing so will suck!</p><p></p><p>Losing the ability to do this with Eldritch Blast does not bother me at all and I wouldn't care if they got rid of EB all together. I don't even get it on all the Warlocks I playy.</p><p></p><p>Losing the ability to use other Cantrips from any other feature you have including Cantrips you get from a feat or Race or another class or a magic item or anything is a big issue though. You play an Eldritch Knight and there are 2 Cantrips and only 2 Cantrips you can use with War Magic (3 at 10th level) regardless of how many Cantrips you know.</p><p></p><p><em>PC: Ok DM I want my Wood Elf EK to make and attack and use Druidcraft to snuff out the torch lighting the room.</em></p><p><em>DM: You can't because you did not get that Cantrip from Eldritch Knight</em></p><p><em>PC: Ok then I want to make an attack and use Mage Hand that I got from Magic Initiate to pour water on the torch and snuff it out.</em></p><p><em>DM: You can't. The Cantrips you got from Eldritch Knight are Message and Blade Ward. Those are the only Cantrips you can cast as part of the attack action.</em></p><p><em>PC: Well I cast Bladeward last turn so I really don't need to cast it again, and I don't need to message anyone. I guess I will just attack.</em></p><p></p><p>As I noted earlier, this restriction is unique to EK. The near identical abilities on Bladesinger and Valor Bard don't have it. Arcane Trickster does not require a spell to be an AT spell to use with their magic-boosting features. This is a nerf put solely on the EK and it is not clear why.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9478155, member: 7030563"] You can't effecrtively use any offensive Cantrip + attack if you play with a low intelligence ... or at least none that are effective. While you can technically use Chill Touch or Toll The Dead or True Strike with War Magic and say a 6 intelligence, doing so will suck! Losing the ability to do this with Eldritch Blast does not bother me at all and I wouldn't care if they got rid of EB all together. I don't even get it on all the Warlocks I playy. Losing the ability to use other Cantrips from any other feature you have including Cantrips you get from a feat or Race or another class or a magic item or anything is a big issue though. You play an Eldritch Knight and there are 2 Cantrips and only 2 Cantrips you can use with War Magic (3 at 10th level) regardless of how many Cantrips you know. [I]PC: Ok DM I want my Wood Elf EK to make and attack and use Druidcraft to snuff out the torch lighting the room. DM: You can't because you did not get that Cantrip from Eldritch Knight PC: Ok then I want to make an attack and use Mage Hand that I got from Magic Initiate to pour water on the torch and snuff it out. DM: You can't. The Cantrips you got from Eldritch Knight are Message and Blade Ward. Those are the only Cantrips you can cast as part of the attack action. PC: Well I cast Bladeward last turn so I really don't need to cast it again, and I don't need to message anyone. I guess I will just attack.[/I] As I noted earlier, this restriction is unique to EK. The near identical abilities on Bladesinger and Valor Bard don't have it. Arcane Trickster does not require a spell to be an AT spell to use with their magic-boosting features. This is a nerf put solely on the EK and it is not clear why. [/QUOTE]
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