Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Not a fan of the new Eldritch Knight
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Tawek21" data-source="post: 9526302" data-attributes="member: 7048252"><p>Thanks for an interesting thread, ECM03.</p><p></p><p>My draft shillelagh EK build has one similarity to your 2014 concept, it involves getting extra spells from feats. While an EK is more on the fighter end of the gish spectrum, I like the idea of more spell options for my EK.</p><p></p><p>For myself, I like the new EK, and I've been spending more time considering 2024 EK builds than any other class. Elsewhere, some have argued that a shillelagh EK may be overpowered (such as in the YouTube comments under D4's "The Eldritch Knight: D&D Ep #193". and Treantmonk's "Eldritch Knight Build Guide"). One person said it could end up with the highest damage and the highest AC. In my opinion, they may have a point, but even if it is nerfed in the future, I think it is fun.</p><p></p><p>== Int based EK build ==</p><p></p><p>Int 15+2 Str 8 Con 14+1 Wis 12 Dex 14 Char 8</p><p></p><p>Weapon: arcane focus staff, built strong enough to be used as a weapon (hoping to eventually get a usable magic staff that can be used as a focus)</p><p>Armor: scale->breast plate->half plate</p><p></p><p>A human with a sage background.</p><p>Origin feats:</p><p> magic initiate wizard (mind sliver, blade ward, find familiar)</p><p> magic initiate druid (shillelagh, guidance, healing word)</p><p>EK class spells: booming blade or true strike, witch bolt, shield, ...</p><p></p><p>Lev 1-4: 2 weapon fighting. Bonus cast shillelagh, hit (1d8+3), scimitar(nick) (1d6+2).</p><p>Lev 4: War caster (int->18) Use true strike for opportunity attacks (or booming blade)</p><p>Lev 5: Extra attack. Shillelagh=d10</p><p>(If table allows casting of shillelagh with shield equipped, then change fighting style to duelling and equip shield)</p><p>Lev 6: Fey touched, misty+hex int->19 (for longer fights, cast hex)</p><p>Lev 7: replace one attack with true strike (or booming blade).</p><p>Lev 8: Shadow Touched (int->20) invis wrathful smite</p><p>Lev 11: extra extra attack. Shillelagh=d12</p><p></p><p>Spells from magic initiate druid with material components may not be able to use an arcane focus staff, but wizard and warlock spells should be able to.</p><p></p><p>Weaknesses: not great at range. Wisdom and dex saves rely on indomitable</p><p>Strengths: reasonable damage and defence. A few extra spells and lots of cantrips.</p><p> At level 10, can use Eldricht Strike to force save at disadvantage against low level control spells against a high spell DC.</p><p> If improving defence is a priority then can cast blade ward instead of an attack.</p><p></p><p>Lots of other ways to build:</p><p>Maybe polearm master at lev 4 for extra damage</p><p>Maybe go for Str 14 and raise to 15 with a feat for plate armour. It means one more AC, but worse dex saving throws, worse ranged, initiative and no option of a stealth build.</p><p>Maybe resilient wisdom.</p><p>...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tawek21, post: 9526302, member: 7048252"] Thanks for an interesting thread, ECM03. My draft shillelagh EK build has one similarity to your 2014 concept, it involves getting extra spells from feats. While an EK is more on the fighter end of the gish spectrum, I like the idea of more spell options for my EK. For myself, I like the new EK, and I've been spending more time considering 2024 EK builds than any other class. Elsewhere, some have argued that a shillelagh EK may be overpowered (such as in the YouTube comments under D4's "The Eldritch Knight: D&D Ep #193". and Treantmonk's "Eldritch Knight Build Guide"). One person said it could end up with the highest damage and the highest AC. In my opinion, they may have a point, but even if it is nerfed in the future, I think it is fun. == Int based EK build == Int 15+2 Str 8 Con 14+1 Wis 12 Dex 14 Char 8 Weapon: arcane focus staff, built strong enough to be used as a weapon (hoping to eventually get a usable magic staff that can be used as a focus) Armor: scale->breast plate->half plate A human with a sage background. Origin feats: magic initiate wizard (mind sliver, blade ward, find familiar) magic initiate druid (shillelagh, guidance, healing word) EK class spells: booming blade or true strike, witch bolt, shield, ... Lev 1-4: 2 weapon fighting. Bonus cast shillelagh, hit (1d8+3), scimitar(nick) (1d6+2). Lev 4: War caster (int->18) Use true strike for opportunity attacks (or booming blade) Lev 5: Extra attack. Shillelagh=d10 (If table allows casting of shillelagh with shield equipped, then change fighting style to duelling and equip shield) Lev 6: Fey touched, misty+hex int->19 (for longer fights, cast hex) Lev 7: replace one attack with true strike (or booming blade). Lev 8: Shadow Touched (int->20) invis wrathful smite Lev 11: extra extra attack. Shillelagh=d12 Spells from magic initiate druid with material components may not be able to use an arcane focus staff, but wizard and warlock spells should be able to. Weaknesses: not great at range. Wisdom and dex saves rely on indomitable Strengths: reasonable damage and defence. A few extra spells and lots of cantrips. At level 10, can use Eldricht Strike to force save at disadvantage against low level control spells against a high spell DC. If improving defence is a priority then can cast blade ward instead of an attack. Lots of other ways to build: Maybe polearm master at lev 4 for extra damage Maybe go for Str 14 and raise to 15 with a feat for plate armour. It means one more AC, but worse dex saving throws, worse ranged, initiative and no option of a stealth build. Maybe resilient wisdom. ... [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Not a fan of the new Eldritch Knight
Top