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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9527428" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>To me it is pretty clear what the intent is and the intent is for it to apply to the spells you received from the subclass. When they use those phrases on page 97 and at the top of page 98 it is clear they are talking only and specifically about the spells gained through EK. Those areas (under cantrips and Changing Tour prepared spells respectively) CAN'T refer to any other spells and absolutely do not refer to spells received from another class. If those phrases in these two sections do not "change meaning" then they would still refer to the spells received from the subclass later under War Magic and Improved War Magic on page 98.</p><p></p><p>What you wrote that I bolded in red above would also support this interpretation. If it is written to assume that you do not have any other spells except subclass spells then that also means by definition they did not "intend" it to apply to spells from other classes when they wrote it. They "intended" it to apply to the spells you received from EK.</p><p></p><p>RAW Initiate Sorcery clearly only works on Sorcerer spells and the multiclass Sorcerers I have seen played in 2024 do not get to use that feature on species spells, feat spells or spells from other classes. If you let it work on all spells (or even on all spells on the Sorc list) then the optimal caster would all have a level of Sorcerer.</p><p></p><p>Eldritch Knight wording is a bit more ambiguous RAW, but I don't think it is ambiguous RAI. If the "intent" is to allow spells and cantrips from other classes then you are saying that it is intended that a multiclass 17th level Warlock-Eldrtich Knight should be able to let loose with 4 Eldritch Blasts followed by up to 4 more attacks at high level, without action surging and adding 8x Hex damage and 4xCharisma damage. I do not think that is "intended".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9527428, member: 7030563"] To me it is pretty clear what the intent is and the intent is for it to apply to the spells you received from the subclass. When they use those phrases on page 97 and at the top of page 98 it is clear they are talking only and specifically about the spells gained through EK. Those areas (under cantrips and Changing Tour prepared spells respectively) CAN'T refer to any other spells and absolutely do not refer to spells received from another class. If those phrases in these two sections do not "change meaning" then they would still refer to the spells received from the subclass later under War Magic and Improved War Magic on page 98. What you wrote that I bolded in red above would also support this interpretation. If it is written to assume that you do not have any other spells except subclass spells then that also means by definition they did not "intend" it to apply to spells from other classes when they wrote it. They "intended" it to apply to the spells you received from EK. RAW Initiate Sorcery clearly only works on Sorcerer spells and the multiclass Sorcerers I have seen played in 2024 do not get to use that feature on species spells, feat spells or spells from other classes. If you let it work on all spells (or even on all spells on the Sorc list) then the optimal caster would all have a level of Sorcerer. Eldritch Knight wording is a bit more ambiguous RAW, but I don't think it is ambiguous RAI. If the "intent" is to allow spells and cantrips from other classes then you are saying that it is intended that a multiclass 17th level Warlock-Eldrtich Knight should be able to let loose with 4 Eldritch Blasts followed by up to 4 more attacks at high level, without action surging and adding 8x Hex damage and 4xCharisma damage. I do not think that is "intended". [/QUOTE]
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