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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9527657" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>The mentions of Wizard spells on page 97 are EXCLUSIVELY using the phrase "Wizard Spell List". There is not a single part of that text that uses the phrase "wizard spell". The only mention of a "wizard cantrip" is following the text on learning cantrips from the Wizard Spell List, and is for the level 10 spot where you learn a new "wizard cantrip". To have that mean "Fighter Cantrip" instead, would mean that the level 10 cantrip ability is allowing you to learn a cantrip you received from the class... which you would already know. So it cannot possibly mean that, and it must mean "a cantrip from the wizard spell list" </p><p></p><p>And the same logic must apply here to the top of 98 where you change your prepared spells. The phrase "with another Wizard spell for which you have spell slots" must absolutely be referring to "a spell on the wizard spell list". If it meant "a wizard spell you gained via this subclass" like you keep saying then you could only swap spells to... spells you already know... which does nothing. </p><p></p><p>So, the only argument you could possibly be making here is that War Magic and Improved War Magic don't work with cleric/druid/warlock/bard spells/cantrips. Which... fine, but then we run into the Innate sorcerery problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, that is not a good assumption. Because the phrasing used on learning spells is generally identical across all classes. That would mean that they never intended something like Wall of Force to be used with Quicken Spell... but obviously that is intended because of how the sorcerer class functions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you are taking a far too limited read on this, and trying to put forth a very narrow potential based solely on them clarifying that the Fighter is using Wizard spells and not Fighter spells (which don't exist) and that they did not write "a spell from the wizard spell list" when talking about changing your prepared spells. Which would have been needlessly wordy. And also still does nothing to prevent wizard spells gained from feats to function normally, because they are still wizard spells and that must mean "spells from the wizard class list"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9527657, member: 6801228"] The mentions of Wizard spells on page 97 are EXCLUSIVELY using the phrase "Wizard Spell List". There is not a single part of that text that uses the phrase "wizard spell". The only mention of a "wizard cantrip" is following the text on learning cantrips from the Wizard Spell List, and is for the level 10 spot where you learn a new "wizard cantrip". To have that mean "Fighter Cantrip" instead, would mean that the level 10 cantrip ability is allowing you to learn a cantrip you received from the class... which you would already know. So it cannot possibly mean that, and it must mean "a cantrip from the wizard spell list" And the same logic must apply here to the top of 98 where you change your prepared spells. The phrase "with another Wizard spell for which you have spell slots" must absolutely be referring to "a spell on the wizard spell list". If it meant "a wizard spell you gained via this subclass" like you keep saying then you could only swap spells to... spells you already know... which does nothing. So, the only argument you could possibly be making here is that War Magic and Improved War Magic don't work with cleric/druid/warlock/bard spells/cantrips. Which... fine, but then we run into the Innate sorcerery problem. No, that is not a good assumption. Because the phrasing used on learning spells is generally identical across all classes. That would mean that they never intended something like Wall of Force to be used with Quicken Spell... but obviously that is intended because of how the sorcerer class functions. I think you are taking a far too limited read on this, and trying to put forth a very narrow potential based solely on them clarifying that the Fighter is using Wizard spells and not Fighter spells (which don't exist) and that they did not write "a spell from the wizard spell list" when talking about changing your prepared spells. Which would have been needlessly wordy. And also still does nothing to prevent wizard spells gained from feats to function normally, because they are still wizard spells and that must mean "spells from the wizard class list" [/QUOTE]
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